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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #839

"In March 2023, OpenAI released its most powerful language model yet, GPT-4. GPT-4 is not just capable of reasoning. It is better at reasoning than average humans. It scored in the 90th percentile on the Uniform Bar Exam for lawyers. It scored in the 99th percentile on the GRE Verbal Assessment. It even scored a 77% on the Advanced Sommelier examination." One could argue a common characteristic of the above exams is…

> One could argue a common characteristic of the above exams is that they each test memory, and, as such, one could argue that GPT-4's above-average performance is not necessarily evidence of "reasoning". That is, GPT-4 has no "understanding" but it has formidable reading speed and retention (memory).

I don’t think they will make this argument since it will heavily negate their (expected) argument that they’re not open-sourcing the model because of safety concerns.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by aorloff »

richardw wrote: post #840
stubish wrote: post #821

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much of the discussion here is about being a non-profit, but per your quote I think the key is open source. Here we have people investing in an open source company, and the company never opened their source. Rather than open source technology everyone could profit from, they kept everything closed and sold exclusive access. I think it is going to be hard for OpenAI to defend their behavior, and a huge amount of da…

I might be too generous, but my interpretation is that the ground changed so fast that they needed to shift to continue the mission given the new reality. After ChatGPT, every for-profit and its dog is going hard. Talent can join the only Mother Teresa in the middle, or compete with them as they stupidly open all the source the second they discover anything. You can’t compete with the biggest labs in the world who ha…

These are things to consider when you decide to build a company using a novel charter instead of a standard startup

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by stubish »

richardw wrote: post #840
stubish wrote: post #821

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much of the discussion here is about being a non-profit, but per your quote I think the key is open source. Here we have people investing in an open source company, and the company never opened their source. Rather than open source technology everyone could profit from, they kept everything closed and sold exclusive access. I think it is going to be hard for OpenAI to defend their behavior, and a huge amount of da…

I might be too generous, but my interpretation is that the ground changed so fast that they needed to shift to continue the mission given the new reality. After ChatGPT, every for-profit and its dog is going hard. Talent can join the only Mother Teresa in the middle, or compete with them as they stupidly open all the source the second they discover anything. You can’t compete with the biggest labs in the world who ha…

> After ChatGPT, every for-profit and its dog is going hard.

After ChatGPT was not released to the public, every for-profit raced to reproduce and improve on it. The decision not to release early and often with a restrictive license helped create that competition for funds and talent. If the company had been truly open, competition would have either had the choice of moving quickly, spending less money and contributing to the common core, or spending more money, going slower as they clean room implement the open code they can't use, and trying to compete alone. This might have been a huge win for the open source model, making the profitable decision to be to contribute to the commons.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by buzzin__ »

xcv123 wrote: post #791
qwertox wrote: post #658

Whatever his reason may be (like resentment for jumping off the ship too soon and missing out, or standing in for humanity), I like what I read in the sense that it contains all the stuff that needs to be spoken about publicly, and the court seems to be the optimal place for this. It feels like Microsoft is misusing the partnership only to block other companies from having access to the IP. They said they don't need…

> Whatever his reason may be The reason is that he was ruthlessly scammed by the sociopath CEO Sam Altman. "Mr. Musk founded and funded OpenAI, Inc. with Mr. Altman and Mr. Brockman in exchange for and relying on the Founding Agreement to ensure that AGI would benefit humanity, not for-profit corporations. As events turned out in 2023, his contributions to OpenAI, Inc. have been twisted to benefit the Defendants and…

It's weird that you would say Altman is a sociopath without also mentioning that Musk is one as well. Musk is also a narcissist and you can't be one without also being a sociopath.

Are you perhaps a member of the Musk cult of personality?

Just trying to create informational balance.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by jakderrida »

otterley wrote: post #877
jcranmer wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It says precisely what Musk claims it says. Almost. Musk uses an ellipsis in his copy in the text that elides some text that is rather detrimental to his claims: > In furtherance of its purposes, the corporation shall engage in any lawful act of activity for which nonprofit corporations may be organized under the General Corporation Law of Delaware.

Eh. That's boilerplate and is probably in every charter of every organization incorporated in Delaware.

How do you know if it's boilerplate? Can you fetch it for me?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by Beijinger »

holonsphere wrote: post #405

Most of you realize private equity firms ran your ”non-profit" colleges right? Unethical experiments involving collective intelligence have been fought over for years at CMU/MIT et all. How can yall read this and really not just wonder.

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by advael »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #498
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of their charter is not to make money, it's to develop AI for the benefit of all, which I interpret to mean putting control and exploitation of AI in the hands of the public. The reality: we don't even get public LLM models, let alone source code, while their coffers overfloweth. Awesome for OpenAI and their employees! Every else goes without. Public benefit my arse.

While I completely agree, I think we've seen enough to realize that something as powerful as what OpenAI is developing shouldn't be freely released to the public. Not as a product, nor as source code. Dangerous and powerful things like weapons and chemicals are restricted in both physical and informational form for safety reasons. AI needs to be treated similarly.

So you believe that Microsoft can on average more be trusted with dangerous technology than humanity as a whole?

A bold claim given their track record

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by paulddraper »

rafram wrote: post #898
paulddraper wrote: post #889

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has nukes, China has nukes, Pakistan has nukes.... And yet, no countries with nukes have ever gone to war with each other.

India and Pakistan fight skirmishes along their contested border all the time. (And re your first line, Pakistan is a US ally, at least in theory.)

1. In 2024, India is a closer ally than Pakistan. (Major Defense Partner)

2. Yep. Skirmishes, not wars.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by HeavyStorm »

bamboozled wrote: post #746
vineyardmike wrote: post #669

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> Not seeing Mistral Large as an open source model now has a bitter taste to it. A company needs a product to sell. If they give away everything, they have nothing to sell. This was surely always the plan. (1) They can give away the model but sell an API - but they can’t serve a model as cheap as Goog/Msft/Amzn who have better unit economics on their cloud and better pricing on GPUs (plus custom inference chips). (2)…

See The Linux Foundation, they don’t seem to have this problem.

I don't think a single sample makes a trend. Genuinely asking: what other companies are fully open source and still profitable? Redhat comes to mind, but nothing else, at least no thing on the scale necessary to run AI.
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