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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by HenryBemis »

ncr100 wrote: post #732
SEJeff wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

I remember watching a documentary about his life, and in his early years he has expressed some "extreme-right"/nationalist views. I assume that he was click-baiting anyone who would hear him, gathering fame and fortune. Eventually he was recognised as a 'potentially worthy' opponent of Putin and was given the support and guidance to become what he became.

(Majority of) Russians are 'different'. They don't care to change. They don't understand the "modern" way of life. They don't understand the new/modern approaches of 'diversity'. (Understand = it conflicts with their ideology, traditions, mindset - of course they understand and simply disagree).

In Russia, historically, the easiest way to solve a problem is to eliminate the person behind the problem, and the problem will solve itself. I has been done like that for centuries, and I don't feel that this will change anytime soon.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by saiya-jin »

SEJeff wrote: post #723
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

Care to provide some links apart from 'they said it on fox news'? Its exactly the type of narrative putin would like to push to marginalize another high profile murder, and we have seen he can be an expert with playing foreign powers and media against each other

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tivert »

ncr100 wrote: post #732
SEJeff wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Navalty had some pretty scary things to say about Ukraine as well. To summarize: He thought there are no differences between Ukranian people and Russian people, he thinks that Crimea is rightfully Russia's (finder's keepers!), and he thinks it would be nice for Belarus and Ukraine to just be absorbed by Russia and become part of Russia again. He was only against the war in Ukraine when it became obvious it was not go…

I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact. He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

> I'm not sure that's an accurate reflection of the man's views. Your sequencing is not construable to a new fact.

> He did recant any notion of Ukrainians being Russian. He also asserted ukrainians Right to independent self-governing.

I never followed Navalny very closely, but my understanding was he opposed Putin but he was also a Russian nationalist, so (at least pre-2022) there wasn't tons of distance between them on the topic of Ukraine.

Since Trump and especially since the more recent invasion of Ukraine, I think there's been a tendency for Western liberals to concentrate on Putin, oppose him, and therefore idealize his opponents as being and thinking just like themselves. So the liberals would tend to avoid thinking about certain uncomfortable facts, and Navalny may have been incentivized to conform to their views (given he was in prison and his main protection was the attention and sympathy of foreign liberals)

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cvalka »

keepswag wrote: post #699
avmich wrote: post #624

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

poundofshrimp wrote: post #757
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #528

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Neither of the links works

The article link was cut somehow, here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/01/we-need-h...

The picture link expired, here's a new one: https://ibb.co/mTNsF7n

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Qwertious »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #602
cyrillite wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Martyrdom. Navalny calculated that this process would be watched and documented through to the very end. He hoped that might be significant, perhaps even sufficient.

He will be forgotten in a week, at least by the West. Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name. Going back to Russia was a stupid move, he could have had much more visibility from the EU.

>Do you remember the guy who flew over Belarus and his plane was redirected to seize him? Any news? I do not even remember his name.

Prigozhin, technically?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pas »

philwelch wrote: post #698
ethanbond wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

The strategy seems to have gone 0-2 with Russia and China; can you name an instance in which it succeeded?

China did go through a lot of effort to gain WTO MFN status. Then the US (and others too) stopped enforcing symmetric market policies.

Stick and carrots. Both are required.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cvalka »

alumnisfu wrote: post #641
avmich wrote: post #624

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

> I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. If you are comparing him to MLK, you've not seen Navalny's videos on Central Asians I guess (in case you need a summary: compares them to insects that need to be exterminated then kills one with a handgun).

It's easy to defame a dead guy. You don't know what you are talking about.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ovi256 »

za3faran wrote: post #667
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

> both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals As if the west hasn't already destabilized the middle east for many decades now.

So that's a reason to do more of the bad thing ?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hackinthebochs »

wolverine876 wrote: post #740
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

> If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. > The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. I think there's an essential conne…

>No more time for games. It's time, as you say, to wake up and stand up for our values.

This makes a nice tweet. But what does it actually mean in practice?

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