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That seems like a perfectly reasonable argument on the merits. What user actually needs web apps? What's the market for apps whose developers can't stomach a $99 developer fee and/or with functionality not allowable by app review?
I hope you realize the irony that this just your personal view on what is reasonable and what is or isn't a merit. I don't see the point in bullying someone who is simply expressing an opinion - which happens to be anti-Apple - and one which makes a lot of sense to me.
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That seems like a perfectly reasonable argument on the merits. What user actually needs web apps? What's the market for apps whose developers can't stomach a $99 developer fee and/or with functionality not allowable by app review?
Well shit, what user needs an app store to begin with? It was never about need , it was about what they could convince users to put up with.
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Your argument hinges on a browser being a good citizen. The DMA makes no such requirement.
Apple could trivially audit browser apps and provide warnings if they do not adhere to basic security policies literally every browser has implemented. This is a basic, user friendly approach. Their behavior is akin to a small, bratty toddler throwing a little tantrum, but instead of being a small toddler, it is one of the largest corporations on the planet. Their "little tantrum" impacts lives and livelihoods, becau…
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No. PD is optional in standard.
No, all compliant USB-C cables support 60W minimum (3A @ 20V). That is the minimum baseline for all USB-C cables. Higher power levels beyond 60W are optional. The newest PD spec goes up to 240W (5A @ 48V).
Anyway the GP post is referring to a USB A to C cable and an old-fashioned USB A wall charger, many of which barely output a single watt. My family members have had similar problems due to similar confusion.
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#725I love Apple's hardware, but iOS is such a turd, I'm stuck on Android even though the rest of my eco-system is Apple (MacBook, AirPods, AppleTV)
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No, all compliant USB-C cables support 60W minimum (3A @ 20V). That is the minimum baseline for all USB-C cables. Higher power levels beyond 60W are optional. The newest PD spec goes up to 240W (5A @ 48V).
Compliant being the keyword there. Are you saying all of the crappy cheap low-end USB-C cables you find on Amazon are fully compliant? You have to put an effort to find brands that are actually legitimate, and pay more for that. Hence the vast majority of people probably won’t successfully do so. Standards compliance is theoretical in the real world that involves cheap crap from Amazon. Anyway the GP post is referrin…
If it doesn't have the wires inside, you've been scammed into buying a piece of junk that merely looks like a USB cable.
When using a USB-A charger, you're guaranteed* at least 2.5W, and the charging standard (BC 1.2) goes up to 7.5W (though usually you can go higher with proprietary protocols, such as QC, or even PD 1.0, although it's very rare for something to support PD 1.0 and pretty common to support QC or Apple signaling). Sure, you won't be able to charge a laptop from a USB-A port, but it's not a hard thing to grasp.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
* You could probably find some chargers that do less than 500mA, but you'd have to search among 20 years old ones at this point and they wouldn't really work with anything modern anyway, PD or not. The hard requirement is that a port has to provide at least 100mA, but that's only relevant to data ports that can do USB enumeration - for charging-only ports, everything assumes at least 500mA, and it would be really hard to find something with less than 1A or even 1.5A (7.5W) these days. Of course, if you try hard you can find any kind of weird stuff out there - I've got a water fountain for cats with power adapter that has a USB-A port providing 9V, so connecting anything else to it may make it release its magic smoke - but that's hardly a problem with USB itself.
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No.
Yes. Every conforming cable supports 3 amps and 20 volts. If you think something's incorrect with that, be specific . But the spec is pretty clear. The exact details of the faster cables are murky because there's old and new versions of that section of the spec, but very few devices use enough power to care about that.
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What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?
Apple has a decade+ track record of making devices that i really like. (At several points I’ve compared solutions across the market). Instead of siding with Apple, why would I side with anonymous and random internet commentators who have never made devices I want to buy?
I'm writing this on a Macbook Pro which I really like, but this decision has downsides for me as user and I'm not convinced by Apple's justification.
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What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?
> What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this? Looking at these things as sides is a mistake. Instead of just being tribal, it's better to look positions on their merits.
I agree. English is not my main language and maybe I should have used a different word than "side".
Above someone said that this seems to be an OS problem, which should be fixed by Apple. The person I replied to said "Or they could just not."
And that's why I asked why they were siding with Apple here. What's the benefit for users if iOS doesn't work as expected when a different rendering engine is used for a web app? How is this good for EU users? I don't get it.
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What's the benefit for you as a user to side with Apple on things like this?
He's not necessarily siding with Apple. He's pointing out they don't have to do that.