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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by mistyq »

Mistletoe wrote: post #233
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Putin has cancer and Father Time is undefeated. There’s reason for much optimism in the world.

We've been hearing news about his cancer periodically since ~2012, now it's the time to believe

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by gobbez »

secondary_op wrote: post #225

Being young Russian citizen with liberal world views I passionatly followed Alexey Navalny and his team work, at the time it was seemingly altruistic, positive, and very entertaining. But now not so young anymore and hopefully smarter, I am looking back and seeing that what it was, was play to hijack power for the sake of it, create instability as means to gain power, and from more recent interview with people worked…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by neom »

wombat-man wrote: post #224
neom wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fan fiction, but: Civil wars might do it, the Russians need to overthrow Putin, Xi in China, and we need to elect peace hawks in places that have democracy. People would have to really really really really not want a word war. On the history part, I have no clue, but I do know that today the citizenry is more connected and able to strategize for ourselfs than at any point in history before.

Putin's old, but he isn't that old. Plus I assume there are similar people waiting in the wings to takeover. Idk how to fix the situation but it would make me nervous for them to have a civil war in a nuclear power. Xi might go, but that party isn't going anywhere.

It's a damn shame everything going on, really gets me down sometimes. My mum said the other day one of the reasons my folks had us when they did was the Cold War was ending(Gorbachev came in), there would never be war in Europe again, and the world was happy and healthy for the future.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by pearjuice »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #190
pearjuice wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why or what you are cherry picking here. I could easily quote pieces on how prisoners are treated in Guantanamo Bay, what happened in Abu Ghraib under American supervision or how we happily send billions of dollars to a country of which Save the Children said of the detained children "86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58%…

Assange is in Guantanamo Bay? Since when? You keep shifting your arguments around. "Save the Children" So it's no longer about political prisoners (I assume you think Assange is one), but about children? "we happily send billions of dollars to a country" Who is we? You have sent billions of dollars to the US? I haven't. I thought the article was about Russia, why exactly are we talking about the US prison system now?…

They were cherry picked examples such as your "$10 fine" example to demonstrate that how in multiple places in the world people (and even children) are imprisoned under horrible circumstances, spend their entire lives behind bars and some simply die or get murdered within their prison cell before completing their sentences.

I or you don't have to prove any alliance here. I could be burning a Russian flag in front of your eyes and you would probably still find a reason why I cannot have criticism on one side doing exactly the same injustices and (criminal) acts as the regime of the flag I just burned. Let me be clear that Navalny should not have been treated and died the way he did and in a fair justice system people would be held accountable.

That doesn't mean I cannot state an opinion that it is repulsive things like this happen everywhere yet somehow one side doing it is worse than the other and claims the moral high ground. They are both bad.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by [deleted] »

zer00eyz wrote: post #238
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

Total aid, yes. Military spending no. In fact this war has highlighted that NO ONE was ready for the fight that came about. Skip the money for a moment. Ukraine right now is marginally fucked for one reason: 155mm artillery shells. There isnt enough global production to have a war. The US is far and away the largest producer. EU can not keep up and did not bring on anywhere near enough capacity to defend itself in a…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by sidibe »

maratc wrote: post #175
mittermayr wrote: post #48

I often wonder what Russia will be like once Putin is gone. The time he has left can't be very long, so what happens then?

Once Putin is gone, someone else is going to take his place. There won't be much difference between Putin and the other guy, and that (small) difference may be for the better or it may be for the worse. Putin is not in that place because he's somehow an extremely talented (or extremely lucky) person. Putin is there because that's what most of the Russian elite wants. Once he's gone, the Russian elite will put there s…

I think this paints a picture of oligarchy that might have been true when he first came to power but the tail is now wagging the dog. In fact it's not even the same dog the elites and billionaires of Russia now are childhood friends of Putin, people who worked with him in KGB or St Petersburg mayors office, the chef at a restaurant he frequented (RIP), etc.

I'm sure any of the original Russian elites left that weren't brought in by Putin regret him being put there would secretly love to see him gone. That doesn't mean they wouldn't end up in the same situation, countries where nobody trusts each other just waiting for the next dictator hard to get out of that cycle

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by bvrmn »

yakireev wrote: post #201
carlos-menezes wrote: post #50

I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.

> I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? He was a Russian politician and was intending to stay one. In the eyes of Russian public opinion, a politician who fled abroad - opposition or not - is not a politician anymore, but some foreign guy living in comforts of some Germany or England, either on money stolen from Russians or on the payroll of CIA, not worth listening to. Interests of p…

> In the eyes of Russian public opinion, a politician who fled abroad - opposition or not - is not a politician anymore

Public gives no shit where politician sits unless they have influence on politics.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by joakleaf »

kortilla wrote: post #217
joakleaf wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin): This chart shows EU outspending the US. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma... .

We’re talking about the military portion on that page.

That was certainly not clear, but it is still does not fit this chart [1]

Looking at Military add only:

The US has provided: ~$42.2B Germany + United Kingdom + Denmark + Norway + Netherlands + Poland + EU inst.: ~$51B

[1] https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hulitu »

funcDropShadow wrote: post #169
KingOfCoders wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in Germany, and Germans should know better.

But Germany has a left-wing government. And it is pushing this week to enact a law to prohibit speech that is not extreme enough to be against the constitution or otherwise criminal.

> But Germany has a left-wing government

Then the US has an extreme left wing government compared with Germany

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by gorbachev »

Mistletoe wrote: post #233
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Putin has cancer and Father Time is undefeated. There’s reason for much optimism in the world.

He has Princes waiting in his wings that will continue the same kleptocratic dictatorship in that country for decades to come. Nothing will change when he, hopefully soon, dies.
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