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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by yakireev » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:08 PM UTC

carlos-menezes wrote: post #50

I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe? Regardless, it wasn't worth it. He could and should have stayed in the West and pumped out anti-regime content: he would have achieved much more. Rest in peace.

> I don't understand why he went back to Russia --- on principle, maybe?

He was a Russian politician and was intending to stay one. In the eyes of Russian public opinion, a politician who fled abroad - opposition or not - is not a politician anymore, but some foreign guy living in comforts of some Germany or England, either on money stolen from Russians or on the payroll of CIA, not worth listening to. Interests of polit-emigrants and interests of Russians in Russia do not align, and the general public knows that.

This is why Navalny returned and Yashin never left.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by steve76 » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:08 PM UTC

merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by miroljub » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

matthewaveryusa wrote: post #148

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

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> Yes, close those US bases, such a smart strategic move

Finally something that Europeans and Americans can agree about. Just GTFO from Europe and never ever come back. We don't need you, you don't need us.

The world will be a better place when Native Americans regain their land and get rid of the dominance of the descendants of the European colonists.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tokai » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

matthewaveryusa wrote: post #148

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

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The only ones that has ever activated article 5 is the US, and all the European allies answered the call. So who is the beggar here? Budget percentages is a mirage and not a serious way to discuss actual engagement in NATO.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Clubber » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

ethanbond wrote: post #67

Clubber wrote: post #38

People calling for the US to do more against Russia, be careful what you wish for. You have no idea how close the US is to a draft. The US has been woefully low at filling military recruiting quotas. Keep in mind both presidents during WWI and WWII campaigned to keep us out of those wars. Any major conflict like that will most certainly require a draft. Better keep your saber rattling to a minimum. Though the percent…

Uhhh that’s why it’s better to fund Ukraine to fight the battle for us before it’s actually on NATO’s doorstep. Not that confusing.

Sure, I support funding Ukraine 100% for that very reason, but consider what happens when Ukraine runs out of troops. Russia has a 3:1 advantage.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-demography-of-war-ukraine-vs-...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

Fell down the stairs and accidentally shot himself in the back 8 times?

How are these events viewed internally in Russia? Is it just widely known that the government arranged it and it was “good, because he was a traitor”?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by infecto » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

I get so tired of these sentiments.

Without a doubt the US pushes its might around the world BUT in the case of Europe, European countries do not have the willpower to create a military like the US's. How did the US lose all its trust? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Europe was frolicking around for decades, most countries with no real economy and making many mistakes a long the way regarding energy security.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by KingOfCoders » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

cglace wrote: post #144

KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

"by a large margin"

Numbers? Source?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by tokai » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

cglace wrote: post #189

tokai wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a lie. EU and European countries has given more than double that of the US.

If you go by military support of Ukraine, this is not true. It's only valid if you include things like humanitarian support. If the US passes its support bill, it would be on equal footing with all aid to Ukraine from Europe, including humanitarian support.

Please stop spreading misinformation.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by parthianshotgun » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

ZoomZoomZoom wrote: post #56

The brave denizens of the Internet love to ridicule Russians for their learned helplessness, calling them weak, docile, etc. Well, here's another example of the thing that most of those who grew up in that culture know or feel subliminally: the hero always crushes evil and triumphs at the end of the story. But in real life, for every success there are thousands that wither along the way.

The same I think could also be said of Russia, in their view they are the hero's, it makes for good and easily digestible propaganda.

I think the triumph of good over evil is a bias we all share, to recognize the complexity, well, that involves a healthy amount of skepticism. I think underlying it is probably a decent ethic, once we define good/logos/love/god. Defining something doesn't mean we still aren't influenced by it