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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by actionfromafar »

neuronic wrote: post #158
lordfrito wrote: post #105

If you believe the western media, the west no longer believes in or upholds its values, and watches while Russia pushes westward while China builds up a military and eyes Taiwan, both more than happy to destabilize the middle east in pursuit of their goals. The west needs to wake up, we're slowly sliding towards a world conflict. This is going to get worse before it gets better. Edit: Russia is pushing westward not e…

Listen to internal speeches by Putin or Xi, they are often available on YouTube. We are not slowly sliding towards a world conflict, it has already begun and we are hopeless to stop it. It is arrogant to ignore or dismiss the happenings. Things were set in motion years ago and they are slowly unraveling. When the West rejected Russia's deeper integration into its structures after the Cold War ended and expanded NATO…

What deeper integration would that have been? Geniunely curious, I don't see what could have worked once the oligarchs were minted. They only care about selling simple low-effort stuff, easily corrupted, like oil.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by miroljub »

cglace wrote: post #144
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

That's just something they tell you during your election campaign. The truth is a bit different, USA is good at promissing and forcing other to do, but it did very little, compared to own GDP and military abilities.

Money:

- EU - 85,0 Mrd. €

- USA - 67,7 Mrd. €

- Deutschland - 22,1 Mrd. €

- Vereinigtes Königreich - 15,7 Mrd. €

- Dänemark - 8,8 Mrd. €

- EU: nur gemeinsame Hilfe

- Quelle: Institut für Weltwirtschaft / Ukraine Support Tracker

Tanks, promissed and delivered:

- Polen 324 Stück 264 Stück

- Niederlande 104 Stück 23 Stück

- Tschechien 90 Stück 90 Stück

- USA 76 Stück 23 Stück

- Deutschland 55 Stück 48 Stück

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cedws »

JohnBooty wrote: post #154
falcor84 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody bats an eye That's not the problem. Here we are all batting our eyes, but that doesn't help. Thousands of Russians went out to the streets to protest the war and got arrested without making a difference. I'm very unclear on what kind of sacrifice would be required at this stage to change the situation in Russia.

It just seems hopeless. An enormous country (with a tremendous cultural history) that has never known a healthy democracy. It's just not in their DNA. I think the US will give up capitalism before Russia adopts anything resembling a healthy democracy. (Not the the US' democracy is in perfect health) Even if Putin dies, whatever replaces him will certainly be just as bad. There will be a power vacuum, then a power str…

When Putin dies things will get ugly. He's spent the last 20 years building a power structure where he holds all the keys. I doubt he has any kind of successor in mind, he seems himself as the only one capable of leading Russia.

The one to replace him will probably not have the same backing from the citizens nor the Kremlin itself. And although I hate to say it, Putin is quite intelligent, which is one of the factors that has enabled him to stay in power. His replacement may not be.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by lm28469 »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #141
vaylian wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But they have no economical & military power to really do any harm the Europe & the US. Putin makes a lot of noise but really can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. Let's see how the situation in Avdiivka develops in the next few weeks. Ukraine is reinforcing the area, but it doesn't look good. We've seen plenty of blunders by the russian army. But you should not underestimate your enemy.

Avdiivka will fall next week. Putin (and the Russian (leaderhsip) culture in general, see Stalin) is this: What are a 100M (of our) people dead if we own Ukraine/Baltics/East Poland/Georgia/... for the next hundreds of years? Stalin had the same blunders, thats priced in, the Red Army had meat wave attacks in WW2 and lost millions, but achived all it's war goals (Poland, Baltics, Eastern Europe including half of Germ…

> What are a 100M (of our) people dead if we own Ukraine/Baltics/East Poland/Georgia/... for the next hundreds of years?

The fertility rate more than halved since then, they're not playing with the same cards anymore

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by joakleaf »

cglace wrote: post #144
KingOfCoders wrote: post #93

The (small) upside of all this missery, death and pain is Europe will lose some territory but gain it's own military security after decades of living from the US strategy alignment. Countries like Poland will no longer buy US weapons but increase European defense spending - they fear just like Ukraine that US congress just turns around and will stop delivering parts for F-35s in a conflict [0]. The US lost all it's t…

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

Not sure about the US providing more funding (especially not by a large margin):

This chart shows EU outspending the US.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-huma....

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hef19898 »

jacquesm wrote: post #140
hef19898 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The upcoming 2024 election cycle will be one for the history books, regardless of outcome. And that outcome can be incredibly bad. I said it before, if Trump gets a second term, he will have a third. And then democracy as we know it in the Western world will be dead.

The one saving grace is that he's old. You'd hope for some divine intervention, unfortunately I'm not religious.

Yeah, Trump wont drop out unless he dies. He desperately wants to stay out of prison. And people behind him want to stay in power. Fingers crossed we all dodge a bullet this year.

Because if we end up with Presidente Marine Le-Pen, President Trump and an AfD-let German government, well, things look grim. Poland gave me some hope so.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by richrichie »

hurflmurfl wrote: post #172
richrichie wrote: post #122

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Not sure if you're just trying to troll, but you don't get elected into any Duma if you're from the opposition. In fact I don't remember there being any real (elected) opposition in Russia, the "multiple parties" have always just been a theater. Like maybe some of the smaller parties would sometimes manage to push some insignificant agenda, but the important issues would always be controlled by the actual leadership…

No it was a genuine question. Did his party win any seats at any election at all?

Call me old school, i am a bit skeptical of single perspective foreign country coverage after the Iraq war lies and NYT’s fawning coverage of Stalin’s Russia.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by TomK32 »

merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Surely not the last opposition figure and Russia will run out of manpower as every attacker has a higher loss than the defender. You forget Lukashenko, he wasn't unwilling to let Belarus join the Russian Federation for no reason. As soon as Putin dies for whatever reason, Lukashenko will be the first to race to the Kremlin and take over.

Personally I have great hopes that an outsider like Kasparov could become President of Russia once Russia is defeated. He did attempt to run for presidency in 2007.

You do read the news? Ukraine is sinking the Russian Black Sea fleet ship by ship with cheap sea-drones. Ukraine is destroying Russian oil refineries and Russia has to reduce it's crude oil production now that India seems to saturated with cheap Russian oil.

On Ukraine ceding territory, I assume that's in case of a peace deal? Putin will sell that as a victory to the Russian people and prepare the next attack a few years later. This simply isn't an option for Europe to allow. Russia will crumble.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by cglace »

tokai wrote: post #177
cglace wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has provided more funding to Ukraine than the world combined by a large margin, and the lesson you take away is that the US is somehow at fault. The one bill that was blocked by Congress would be more support than Europe as a whole has provided to Ukraine to date. While I agree that European countries should start to take their defense seriously I don't see how you fault US support of Ukraine.

That is a lie. EU and European countries has given more than double that of the US.

If you go by military support of Ukraine, this is not true. It's only valid if you include things like humanitarian support. If the US passes its support bill, it would be on equal footing with all aid to Ukraine from Europe, including humanitarian support.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by KingOfCoders »

pearjuice wrote: post #146
KingOfCoders wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, all the same, UK prison cells and Russian Gulag with people tortured and worked to death. There is no difference between a $10 fine for parking in the wrong spot and the death sentence. The later is just a little bit more "harsh".

I'm not sure why or what you are cherry picking here. I could easily quote pieces on how prisoners are treated in Guantanamo Bay, what happened in Abu Ghraib under American supervision or how we happily send billions of dollars to a country of which Save the Children said of the detained children "86% were beaten, 69% were strip searched, 60% spent time in solitary confinement, 68% were denied any healthcare, and 58%…

Assange is in Guantanamo Bay? Since when?

You keep shifting your arguments around.

"Save the Children"

So it's no longer about political prisoners (I assume you think Assange is one), but about children?

"we happily send billions of dollars to a country"

Who is we? You have sent billions of dollars to the US? I haven't.

I thought the article was about Russia, why exactly are we talking about the US prison system now? What is the goal? Making the Russian Gulag look good? Improving the US prison system?

I've campaigned against the US prison system with AI. Did you? If you didn't, it's simply Whataboutism.

Whataboutism has one goal, and one goal alone: Deflect criticism.

"I'm not pro-Russia"

You're words tell a different story.

"morally superior."

Straw man argument.

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