Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose

Post by MrDresden » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 9:10 AM UTC

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I'd personally love a sort of anti-trust czar who can just very unbureaucratically slap large tech companies with sensitive fines. If you had someone like that in charge and the moment companies engage in malicious compliance (for example cookie acceptance dark patterns) you go "now you pay 2% of your revenue in fines, you pull the same thing again we'll double the fine next month", how long does it take until compan…

Just imagine all the corruption that would be possible!

Post by anon373839 » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 9:14 AM UTC

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> By that logic, I shouldn't be allowed to load web pages because it's impossible to secure a browser. Indeeed, and 'whatever browser engine you picked here' is responsible for correctly implementing these additional security features. That's the argument; if you write an app that lets you run other apps inside it how do we make sure your app does security correctly? When you look at it from that perspective, you can…

> if you write an app that lets you run other apps inside it how do we make sure your app does security correctly? But browsers already have this security features that isolates websites from each other? How come PWA, which essentially just placing a website shortcut in the home screen and hiding browser ui, affect browser's existing security features?

Post by mordae » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 9:15 AM UTC

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On the contrary, this tantrum by no means works to lessen the growing idea that control of the platform should be put into the hands of a independent third party. While not European in origin, the platform holds and manages tremendous value for us, to the extent where small changes can cause mayor economic disruption, and Apple has not been managing it fairly. And for a state actor, which exists to serve the common g…

The EU is economically meaningless on the grand scale. They are only 7% of Apple's revenue, and similarly low for other companies. And every day they become a less profitable market to operate in. The EU holds power only as long as the rest of the world is willing to deal with its BS. Trying to "break up Apple" is simply not within the EU's power as Apple is worth more than the EU's whole tech industry combined. Appl…

Post by gkbrk » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 9:18 AM UTC

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Deliberately removing useful features from your own product so that you don't have to let other people implement the same features may be technically conforming to the letter of the law, but is clearly violating it in spirit. The spirit of the law is platform interoperability: your control over the platform shouldn't restrict what other people can make it do (be it "run an app store" or "run a web app").

When did it become illegal to take features away from a products or create derivative products with different features? The “spirit of the law” most certainly is not what you’re imagining. If they wanted, they could remove the App Store from iOS in EU, or pull the iPhone from the EU market entirely. Apple isn’t required by the DMA to part of a digital market at all.

Post by MrDresden » Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 9:22 AM UTC

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As a European dev I want apple to fail super hard and implode. They used to be so cool and make slick hardware for their nische but now I'm happy to use worse hardware as long as they disapear from the face of the earth.

As an American dev I can't wait to see tech companies leave the EU and leave it in shambles as the EU realizes it never learnt how to innovate, only legislate and rent-seek from our companies. Frankly, the region needs us far more than we need it.