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Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by gwright »

estebank wrote: post #192
qaq wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I worked in both EU(Ireland) and US for the same company on the same projects the comp difference is huge. So all the safety nets might buy you more peace of mind but pragmatically you are better off just having an extra rainy day fund from the portion of extra income you get in the US.

This is true, but the number of "hidden" fees associated with living in the US make the difference slightly less stark than it seems at first, and a catastrophic health event can set you back to 0. The difference is biggest when working in tech, of course, and for the most part it is usually still worth it, depending on desired lifestyle.

I'm trying to understand what are the "hidden fees". Different fees, extra fees, annoying fees (when compared to some other country) I can wrap my head around those, but what fees are "hidden"?

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by robertlagrant »

stevage wrote: post #232
robertlagrant wrote: post #231

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> know that every right that you ever had was earned through a union This really isn't true. Lots of these perks are because there was loads of money sloshing around, and a competitive hiring environment drove the culture to be as attractive as possible for employees.

Perks and rights are extremely different. Companies can't take rights away.

Well, laws create rights, not unions, as far as I understand things.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by scott_w »

AndrewPGameDev wrote: post #204
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #44

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The “people first” company was Auth0. The company that sent the email and terminated access instantly was Okta. Fairly clear to me.

How can a company be "people first" when they sell out to a larger company who isn't "people first"?

Just off the top of my head:

- They didn’t know the purchasing company wasn’t “people first”

- The founders burnt out and needed an exit

- The purchasing company was “people first” at the time of purchase

I’m not placing a judgement on Okta here, by the way, because I know nothing about them. Just answering your question.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by gwright »

edent wrote: post #208
evantbyrne wrote: post #203

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The tradeoff is that people lose their ability to bargain individually, which is why you rarely see unionization of high-paid workers in the US. I think whether it makes sense for an individual to unionize really depends on their ability to negotiate. The more highly paid that a worker is and the more unique their role is, the less they have to gain from unionization vs looking at internal job postings and hiring an…

It absolutely does not mean that. Unions help set minimum standards, not maximum ones. I've worked in private companies where the maximum comp is set by management and they do not allow individual negotiations. And I've worked in heavily unionised organisations where I was able to negotiate a better deal for myself. Do you really think your unique talents will save you from a lecherous boss or protect you from being…

> Do you really think your unique talents will save you from a lecherous boss or protect you from being discriminated against?

I don't understand how a union helps with this vs. an attorney. Other reasons for unions, but these items don't seem particularly persuasive to me.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by stevage »

hasty_pudding wrote: post #23

I feel like Auth0 is one of those products that shouldn't exist. Youre paying ALOT for what you can do with a JWT.

I use auth0.

For starters I would have no idea where to begin without the SaaS.

Next, it handles account management, signup, password resets etc. You'd have to write that yourself.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by scott_w »

progbits wrote: post #62
morgante wrote: post #57

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It has nothing to do with being "people-first" or not. Leaving terminated employees with access to sensitive systems is poor security practice.

You trusted them with that access yesterday, and they are not being fired for cause (eg. stealing company secrets), so why don't you trust them today? This sort of thing only really happens in US companies (see lots of other comments in this thread on this), and maybe that should be a clue this isn't "security practice".

In addition to what others said, there’s also a compliance aspect.

Even if 99% of laid off staff will react fairly and reasonably, it only takes a few to do serious damage, potentially to your customers.

Even on a small scale, those laid off can cause some harm: “losing” things, getting extremely enthusiastic with decommissioning equipment, or even filling the company cars with fuel right before giving them back to the hire company.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by eurg »

AndrewPGameDev wrote: post #204
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “people first” company was Auth0. The company that sent the email and terminated access instantly was Okta. Fairly clear to me.

How can a company be "people first" when they sell out to a larger company who isn't "people first"?

For a company I once worked, it was because the VCs held more than 50% of the company, and the founders - ultimately - didn't have a say.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by Chris2048 »

remram wrote: post #161
ricenews wrote: post #143

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Not OP, but I’ll take a crack at responding. The feeling of being “blessed” is the recognition that a substantial component of your current fortune is due to circumstances outside your control, whether due to a higher power, support from family/friends, raw luck, or the kindness of strangers. The proper and typical response to this feeling is one of gratitude, not self-importance, and the desired response is to contr…

What you're describing is better captured by the word "lucky". "Blessed" is lucky plus an acknowledgement that this luck was granted to you on purpose by a higher power, so you deserved it in a karmic way (though not operational way). It really irks me too.

> "Blessed" is lucky plus an acknowledgement that this luck was granted to you on purpose by a higher power, so you deserved it in a karmic way

The karmic component would make it a reward. So much as you are blessed with resources, you are then able to make sacrifices that aren't necessarily enviable.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by paulddraper »

doublerabbit wrote: post #145
pm90 wrote: post #107

I can’t help but wonder about all the people who can’t express themselves as well as this Author. No shade on them, Im glad to have read about their journey. But the cynical part of me wonders about all the other affected folks, and what their perspective was about their tenure.

A shock to reality, I suppose. I yawn at these posts because you should expect in life to be churned and when flavourless thrown out. Pick yourself up and move on. Should I care that someone worked at Auth0, SpaceX, Amazon or Google when they're just another company that pays you money? How is it any different to where I work? I've done them all, banks, animation studio, enterprise, corporate, sme, porn and can tell…

> you should expect in life to be churned and when flavourless thrown out

Accurate

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by paulddraper »

rollulus wrote: post #4

I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…

> So much more humane.

I'd 100% rather get 3 weeks severance than get paid to a couple more months (or whatever).

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Also, the whole "security escorting you out" schtick...I'm certain that happens, but I've never seen it personally.

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