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Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by input_sh »

Vinnl wrote: post #37
edent wrote: post #2

Join a Union. The bitter truth is your employer has a lot more lawyers than you do. For all the talk about how well-compensated and in-demand tech workers are, the reality is usually different. You need someone in your corner to help you fight for your rights. If you're a tech worker in the UK, you can get three months free membership at https://prospect.org.uk/join/

Anyone have any idea how this would/could work for a company with employees in many different countries? Especially if the number of employees in your own country is low? (Single or low double digits.)

It depends on so many factors. Are you actually employees or contractors? Do they pay you from a subsidiary registered in your country?

I've somewhat seriously looked into this a while ago and my main takeaway would be: a) contractors can't unionize and b) you can unionize locally, as long as you get signatures from X% of the employees in your country.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, reach out to some already established union in your own area and ask for advice. You're gonna find out some things that are not easily googleable.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by nu11ptr »

Do a lot of companies actually fire people via email? That seems very cold! Most of the companies I've worked for they will call you into a meeting with your boss and HR and then have security walk you out after gathering your things. Not ideal, but at least has a human element. If this person was remote then it could at least be done via phone.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by tgv »

sksksk wrote: post #32
tgv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had that experience with a US mother company of a European subsidiary (of a subsidiary). CEO swings by, as he does once per year, and fires the whole dev team, including the local branch manager, because they'll take over in the US (they couldn't, and then bought a competitor instead; the original product is still running, 15 years later), and we were told to leave the building. I had a program building something f…

What country was this? If it was a European subsidiary, then would you have not have been subject to the employment protection of the country's laws?

Sure, and they had to pay until the end of the contract plus compensation or offer other positions, but they can make you leave the building. It's theirs, after all. And foreign companies have it easier for certain claims, especially regarding finances and profitability, which is the main ground for rightful dismissal, so a lawyer told me.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by ddingus »

maxehmookau wrote: post #19
diggan wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In IT we have it pretty easy and can rebound without as much hassle as other domains, so we think we're kind safe. We're not. Seems even people in the US aren't actually that well off, as the author said they'd experience "acute financial stress" if it wasn't for the severance: > [...] and was told that the severance offered would give me at least a few months free from acute financial stress [...]

Wait until America wakes up and reads this thread. The anti-union feeling over there is very peculiar to Europeans.

Not all of us think that way. (up super early due to a disgreement between my gut and some food... )

However, those of us who do think that way are not shy about it.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by morgante »

buro9 wrote: post #36

This bit at the end: > and learned an enormous amount about what it means to build and run a people-first company Seems at odds with this bit at the beginning: > And then it happened, I got the email. Slack didn't work. My laptop restarted and came back with accounts missing. It really, actually happened. And even though the writing seemed to be on the wall, I was still caught a bit off guard. This industry (not spec…

It has nothing to do with being "people-first" or not.

Leaving terminated employees with access to sensitive systems is poor security practice.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by CogitoCogito »

tgv wrote: post #14
rollulus wrote: post #4

I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…

I had that experience with a US mother company of a European subsidiary (of a subsidiary). CEO swings by, as he does once per year, and fires the whole dev team, including the local branch manager, because they'll take over in the US (they couldn't, and then bought a competitor instead; the original product is still running, 15 years later), and we were told to leave the building. I had a program building something f…

I was laid off in Sweden by an American parent company and all work ended the second it happened. It was funny because they could have asked me to keep working, but I guess a paid vacation was nicer for me anyway.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by CalRobert »

buro9 wrote: post #36

This bit at the end: > and learned an enormous amount about what it means to build and run a people-first company Seems at odds with this bit at the beginning: > And then it happened, I got the email. Slack didn't work. My laptop restarted and came back with accounts missing. It really, actually happened. And even though the writing seemed to be on the wall, I was still caught a bit off guard. This industry (not spec…

Auth0 was a much better place to work than Okta.

Re: Goodbye Auth0

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Post by pcl »

rollulus wrote: post #4

I don’t get it why the US company layoff culture is so different from what I’m familiar with, the European one. What are they afraid of that people need to be locked out? That one brings a gun to work? Here you get laid off, get a notice, are expected to continue working for a while (but depending on your work ethic you’ll take it easy), consume your remaining PTO, complain to your coworkers about what happened durin…

I find the "lock out and leave immediately" thing to be pretty weird, and perhaps US-specific.

But! The Nordic approach is also bizarre! The norm is that employees keep working for 3 months after giving notice. There are, of course, plenty of exceptions. The "normal exception" is that if someone quits and the business thinks they are going to go to a competitor, they'll leave the premises within a few days, but continue as a paid employee for the remainder of the time -- known as "garden leave."

In either case, though, the employee doesn't start working at their new job for three months!! In my experience, it's super-stifling, especially for startups, since three months is an eternity for a new company. Of course, in the tech industry, nobody really does all that much work for at least the trailing two months, since who's going to get assigned to a new project just before they leave?

I guess this is perhaps sorta how things play out in areas of the US that allow noncompetes to be enforced, too.

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