Do you guys feel sad when your colleague leaves the company?
I feel sad if this means I have more work and responsibilities for same amount of pay. Otherwise - no.
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#172Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…
> Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave.
This is only part of the story. They can just pay you the 1-3 months and mark your firing as "effective immediately". Absolutely legal in Sweden, EU and US, and indeed even better for the person fired - 3 months of pay for no work.
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#173Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…
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OP is wrong and reads too much reddit - US bad, EU good. It is definitely possible to get fired "effective immediately" in EU/Sweden and 100% legal. I've seen it myself. (The company would just pay the 3 months salary)
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I miss that too. Some of my best friends are former co-workers. Especially from when I was younger and we spent nearly every waking hour together either at work or at a bar after work. I don't miss it enough to want to go back to an office though!
The way I see it I go to work to exchange my skills for money. Often that involves working with others, but I’m not there to socialize and make friends. I have friends. So given that outlook, WFH seems just kind of more “pure.” It’s distilled work, unencumbered by phony pseudo-friendships and awkward water cooler chit chat about sportsball. When we start a zoom meeting I can just launch right into the agenda without…
I also have friends, but I rarely see them on workdays. Having other people around me on those days feels good, I don't like being alone for several days. I totally can do and have done that, but I prefer to not be alone.
Additionally, my colleagues and I share big parts of our life: every damn workday. None of my friends are capable of talking as long and nuanced about things happening at my workplace. They don't really want to hear emotional rants about bullshit projects because they have no way to relate to those feelings.
But I want to rant about bullshit projects and thankfully, I have colleagues that like hearing such rants from time to time, as they totally can relate. When I am mad about some shit, start talking about it and they ask "oh, was that XY who said that?" and it totally was XY, that is comforting.
I have friends, yes, and I don't need to meet my colleagues after work. But I still have healthy social relationships to them.
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#175I made epitaphs! AMA
In what company, if I may ask?
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Sorry, move data out ? Can you expand on exactly what this means, as I imagine most companies would not want their data moved out to another company.
Presumably things like "your credentials to the account that we deposit RSUs into" or "your picture of the beer they served in the cafeteria one time that you liked".
Pictures of beer aren't usually moved into your next employment place though, as GP implies, but rather to your own devices.
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#177Note that in Europe or UK downloading bulk employee lists would likely mean you are now handling 'personal data' and so various GDPR rules kick in
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Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…
You can’t get private Slack messages easily if you don’t have direct access to the account. There is an audit feature on the Enterprise version that allows it, and you can appeal to slack to open the messages due to a crime or similar - but AFAIK on the normal plans you are out of luck of you want to read private messages as workspace owner.
The correct mental security model here is “if you used an account on a company issued laptop/phone/any hardware” == “the company technically already has or can get access to the data”. There are so many ways for a company to do that.
Granted, some of these ways might be legal or not depending on jurisdiction, but then lots of company will thread or cross the legal fine line if they are happy with the risk/benefit trade off.
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OP is wrong and reads too much reddit - US bad, EU good. It is definitely possible to get fired "effective immediately" in EU/Sweden and 100% legal. I've seen it myself. (The company would just pay the 3 months salary)
Yea, but getting 3 months pay without having to work sounds even better for the employee. Now, there will still be the issue of dropping off Slack and hand off etc.
I do read too much Reddit, but I also live in Sweden lol
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Yup, same in Denmark. It’s called “fritstilling” - basically they pay you severance equally to the amount of months you should have gotten advanced notice (3-many months). But there has to be a very good reason. Such as theft, or actual security worries.
I believe this is called "garden leave" in the Commonwealth countries.
“Gardening leave” is the polite fiction - much to do in your personal garden, so you are being given exceptional paid time off to deal with it.
I have genuinely spent a lot of time once sorting out the vegetable beds during a period of gardening leave. It was VERY therapeutic!