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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by permalac »

lmz wrote: post #57
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

But if the company is worried about access can't it just pay the employee the 1-3 months without allowing them to work, even in Sweden?

I work with identities. I've worked in Spain, France and uk.

99% of lay off are agreed and there is no need for account termination, my current company let's you have your account open 30 days after your last day, so you can move data out to your next company.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by MadsRC »

lmz wrote: post #57
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

But if the company is worried about access can't it just pay the employee the 1-3 months without allowing them to work, even in Sweden?

Yup, same in Denmark. It’s called “fritstilling” - basically they pay you severance equally to the amount of months you should have gotten advanced notice (3-many months).

But there has to be a very good reason. Such as theft, or actual security worries.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

kristopolous wrote: post #69
at-fates-hands wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a large web dev company and for years they had this attitude. Then one designer put in his two weeks and spent the majority of the time downloading all the site files for all of the sites the company had built over the two years he was there. We're talking hundreds of static sites where he took the all the design docs and static HTML/CSS/JS files one would need to recreate them somewhere else. Instead of…

Anyone could have done that at any time. The two weeks isn't magic. It could have been unannounced and they just stop showing up. You either trust your people or you don't. If you don't, get rid of them and lock them out. If you do and you still have to let them go then don't worry about it. People are far too inhuman in professional relationships and I strongly dislike that tendency. You likely spend as much time wi…

But once they receive the bad news, their motivation for revenge increases, which is why similar policies exist in many workplaces. Trust isn’t a univariate, piecewise defined function like you suggest.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by fbdab103 »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #33

There's a very common problem with systems that use SSO, where the 3rd parties that accept SSO logins cache the login information, sometimes indefinitely. A user can leave the company but their login placeholder account stays in the 3rd party, and active login sessions are maintained basically indefinitely. So you can leave the company and lose your AD account, but still access the 3rd party. As Rachel says it's kind…

In most cases wouldn't that session info be tied to physical hardware to which the employee no longer has access? Sure, tick all of your boxes, but I would think that losing the company laptop/phone/VPN would be a pretty significant barrier to maintaining access to other systems.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by tomwojcik »

lmz wrote: post #57
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

But if the company is worried about access can't it just pay the employee the 1-3 months without allowing them to work, even in Sweden?

Yes, it's normal in IT in Europe to fire someone, revoke their access and still pay them for 1-3 months. On the other hand many IT professionals work b2b so some of the normal employment policies do not apply. On b2b contract the other side usually is obliged to pay for 1 month.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by jedberg »

silisili wrote: post #51
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

I miss that too. Some of my best friends are former co-workers. Especially from when I was younger and we spent nearly every waking hour together either at work or at a bar after work.

I don't miss it enough to want to go back to an office though!

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by kristopolous »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #73
kristopolous wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone could have done that at any time. The two weeks isn't magic. It could have been unannounced and they just stop showing up. You either trust your people or you don't. If you don't, get rid of them and lock them out. If you do and you still have to let them go then don't worry about it. People are far too inhuman in professional relationships and I strongly dislike that tendency. You likely spend as much time wi…

But once they receive the bad news, their motivation for revenge increases, which is why similar policies exist in many workplaces. Trust isn’t a univariate, piecewise defined function like you suggest.

Right, if you're being a dick then sure. I'm advocating for not being one in the first place. That's the challenge.

If you can't meet that use keycards instead of keys, voip instead of real phones, lock file cabinets, I mean go all the way.

Corporate America loves pretending. Pretending you're part of the family and then treating you like you're trying to rob the place at the drop of a hat.

That's the messed up thing. Be consistent and don't be fake. People can deal with you for being overly formal and paranoid but probably not for being a phony backstabber, that's how you grow haters.

The hardest thing for a brand to shake off is a bad reputation, whether they justly deserved it or not. You don't want haters in the Internet age.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by ZaoLahma »

silisili wrote: post #51
jedberg wrote: post #9

Layoffs in the WFH era are weird. Back in the day you had a pretty good idea of who got laid off because you saw them walking out the door with a box of their stuff. You could go up to them and say, "hey let's meet at $local_watering_hole and hang out". You could swap contact info if you didn't already have it. You could get closure. Now, one day a bunch of people just stop replying to email. You have a to wait a whi…

It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

This really highly depends on the people that you work with.

At a previous employment (a 100% WFH position) I had most of my colleagues in India, roughly 4 time zones away from my own so we almost never met in person, and we'd have personal chit chat sessions while working.

Then I've worked with people who weren't present even when you were sitting right next to them. They'd come into the office, say "morning", put on their noise cancelling head phones and be gone for the rest of the day (modern open space office life in a nut shell).

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by caskstrength »

Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

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