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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by kristopolous »

ketzo wrote: post #84
kristopolous wrote: post #69

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Anyone could have done that at any time. The two weeks isn't magic. It could have been unannounced and they just stop showing up. You either trust your people or you don't. If you don't, get rid of them and lock them out. If you do and you still have to let them go then don't worry about it. People are far too inhuman in professional relationships and I strongly dislike that tendency. You likely spend as much time wi…

I think it’s a scale thing, honestly. Yes, most reasonable adults remain reasonable even after fired But once you hire a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand people… statistically there are gonna be some wackos you didn’t filter out! It’s tough. I agree that treating each other like humans is the best policy.

Of course it increases. That's why you have permissions and guard rails on the employees in the first place. Those should be sufficient.

Also if you want to work with the people you like again but need to actually downsize because of external pressure, good luck trying to get them to come work for you at your next venture after some fucked up bridge burning ceremony.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by notso411 »

Symbiote wrote: post #59
simonw wrote: post #10

Love this bit: "Incidentally, if someone gets mad about you running this sort of thing, you probably don't want to work there anyway. On the other hand, if you're able to build such tools without IT or similar getting "threatened" by it, then you might be somewhere that actually enjoys creating interesting and useful stuff. Treasure such places. They don't tend to last."

I wonder if this counts as personal data. It's a copy of everyone's name, job title and employment dates. I can certainly see many European businesses would be wary of an employee keeping this list.

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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by ryandrake »

jedberg wrote: post #76
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one thing I miss from the work from office lifestyle - the more human connections. People stopping by your desk to chat about life, the joking - I'd never laughed so hard in my life. Closer connections in general, and being sad when people left, but happy when they were for greener pastures. WFH feels so sterile and impersonal in comparison. I've been WFH since 2015 or so, so this isn't a RTO endorsement, just r…

I miss that too. Some of my best friends are former co-workers. Especially from when I was younger and we spent nearly every waking hour together either at work or at a bar after work. I don't miss it enough to want to go back to an office though!

The way I see it I go to work to exchange my skills for money. Often that involves working with others, but I’m not there to socialize and make friends. I have friends.

So given that outlook, WFH seems just kind of more “pure.” It’s distilled work, unencumbered by phony pseudo-friendships and awkward water cooler chit chat about sportsball. When we start a zoom meeting I can just launch right into the agenda without having to do that offtopic pre-meeting banter ritual. To me it’s work without waste. I feel like with WFH I get more done per hour and that means more time for me to do what I enjoy: things that aren’t work.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by eru »

Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

When I quit my work at Goldman Sachs (a very American company), they made me work the whole three months of my notice period.

(Just as one example. The American economy is a big and diverse place. Though in the interest of full disclosure, I was working for Goldman in Singapore, but they were just following global corporate policy; and our labour laws in Singapore defer more to contracts than the US one. Eg no WARN act here.)

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by adastra22 »

economicalidea wrote: post #88
Aurornis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching people’s accounts go into deactivated status in Slack with no goodbye is sad. The most toxic boss I ever worked for would request access to former employee’s Slack accounts under the guise of looking for data to transition their job. Their accounts would periodically go green when he logged in as them. Spooky to see ex-coworker accounts go green and know the boss is scouring their private messages. I know co…

You can’t get private Slack messages easily if you don’t have direct access to the account. There is an audit feature on the Enterprise version that allows it, and you can appeal to slack to open the messages due to a crime or similar - but AFAIK on the normal plans you are out of luck of you want to read private messages as workspace owner.

Request access to former employee’s corporate email and reset the password.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by rpigab »

This is a very fun thing to do, unfortunately where I work (France), the HR team send out weekly/monthly emails with somes HR updates, and at the end the list of everyone who is hired (this includes conctractors), and everyone who leaves (resigned or fired), so it would not add any information to run LDAP searches and dumps/diffs.

It's always kinda stressful to open this email and find out if one colleague you liked has decided to leave, but most times, this colleague informed you before the email arrives.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by notso411 »

mickeyp wrote: post #8

LDAP's full of secrets. It's a great way to keep tabs on what's going on in a company. And to think that you can get nearly all of it with anonymous access. Team or department mergers before they were announced? Yep, I've caught those. Secret mailing lists for internal projects? Check who's a member and you can ferret out what's going on. Bonus if the list mail address gives some of it away. `ldapsearch' is good if y…

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Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by imtringued »

caskstrength wrote: post #80
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

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Because people like you intentionally misinterpret and misrepresent what actually happens in Europe.

Re: Figure out who's leaving the company: dump, diff, repeat

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

caskstrength wrote: post #80
Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #50

Not a WFH thing. This is a USA thing!! Edit: OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird" Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at. Here in Sweden if you are FTE there is usually a 1-3 month layoff period (upppsägningstid) where you work and get paid still. At the end of the period you leave. People usually email the team and even the entire company with "hey…

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For me, it's the stories of "how IT jobs suck" but it's not that IT jobs suck it is due to where you live.

Also the misunderstandings of how things work here.

OP said "Layoffs in the WFH era are weird"

Yes they are, but people here don't suddenly go offline quite as weird is what I was trying to get at.

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