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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by smt88 »

gambiting wrote: post #249
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #88

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When the UN told the US not to go to war with Irak, they just ignored it. Those bodies have zero power and countries that want to massacre will kill no matter what.

Quite the contrary - they have all the power, they are just choosing not to use it in this case. If the court ordered a ceasefire all weapon shipments to Israel would have to stop the same day.

The US absolutely would not stop shipping arms to Israel or anyone else because of an international body's ruling.

Israel has stockpiles of arms anyway. The war wouldn't stop just because the arms trade stopped.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ajb wrote: post #576
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #564

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> Interesting perspective for a former judge Do you have a link to Barak’s dissent on those questions?

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...

Hmm, the relevant meat appears in paragraph 43. One one point, he votes against because it’s redundant to the Convention. Fair enough. On the other, a question of “plausibility,” comes up, which seems a term of art I wasn’t able to quickly decipher.

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Post by aaomidi »

MeImCounting wrote: post #554
aaomidi wrote: post #321

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I'm not sure what I will do, but I'm not voting for Trump either way. There is a lot written about civil disobedience through not partaking in electoral politics, and that's _likely_ the direction I'm going to go if Biden does not change his tone (and hopefully actually do a proper apology for his actions so far). This sucks, and I'll participate in local and even congressional elections, but for president I can not…

Personally regardless of any other stance I will always vote along the abortion lines. I would hope others would be able to prioritize that as well. I dont want to see the US turn into a theocratic dictatorship.

That's why I'm still going to be voting in congressional elections.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by robertoandred »

charred_patina wrote: post #561
robertoandred wrote: post #464

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There is disinformation on TikTok. There are white supremacists and antisemites that take every Israeli conflict as an opportunity to spread their hate. This is true. What is also true is that you can clearly see Israel conducting a genocide live, while every news outlet in the west denies it or justifies it. I am not talking about fake news, I am talking about citizen journalists, footage of children who have been p…

Are you sure you can see this genocide? Remember when there was footage of Israeli bulldozers crushing people and it turned out to be footage of Egypt from 2014? Just because some social media account says what you’re seeing is the truth doesn’t make it so.

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Post by [deleted] »

pgeorgi wrote: post #474
locallost wrote: post #466

My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246 Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important. Quote: "Westerners must ope…

All correct and yet, what should happen? Israel stops their campaign. And then? Spend tons of money on iron dome to shoot down the rockets and hope that Hamas won't manage to conduct another massacre, even if "only" half the scope of October 7? This mess features not one but two parties who currently reject the concept of a cease fire.

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Post by albntomat0 »

1letterunixname wrote: post #589
albntomat0 wrote: post #367

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> In America, it's wall-to-wall "police say"-like IDF clips and Bill Maher condemnation, dehumanization, and equivocating Palestine supporters with Hamas terrorists. The talking heads cheerfully greet Netanyahu. As someone who also consumes US news, this does not describe what I’ve seen.

Local news or networks? Which ones?

Written, a combination of New York Times, Washington Post, and what Google News aggregates (frequently includes Fox and a mix of websites of local news websites)

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Post by mjcohen »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #517
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #479

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> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle How many wars have the US and Japan fought after WWII? Or France and Germany after WWII? How many wars have the US Government and Native Americans fought after 1900? Sometimes a clear, overwhelming victory ends cycles of violence.

The Marshall Plan and favorable trade agreements the allies gave Japan would never be extended by Israel the way it is and acts now, so there has to be another solution. Destruction didn't turn Germany and Japan around, the ability to uplift themselves did. The very thing which has been denied to Gaza since 2005 at least (and likely much longer)

Germany and Japan did not have anything in their constitutions advocating the destruction of the allies.

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Post by dang »

LegitShady wrote: post #490
throwaway587 wrote: post #279

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This is a question you need to ask Jewish people, not HN. The response you'll get here obviously won't answer this question, because the people responding are either not Jewish, or the format doesn't lend itself to a genuine answer. But, a mistake you make in asking the question is two-fold, one - the Holocaust was not a lesson taught to Jews so they'll learn empathy. It was something horrible and traumatic that was…

>This is a question you need to ask Jewish people, not HN. Please don't tell people to harass random jews wherever they live about political stuff they aren't involved in. Thanks.

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by Wytwwww »

locallost wrote: post #546
nemo44x wrote: post #511

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> The law of retaliation is a never-ending cycle. Well, there are ways to end it. Historically there have been thousands of cyclical conflicts that eventually ended without a diplomatic solution.

In this situation I disagree. The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine, and the Arab world obviously. They will not go away. Israel will not go away either.

> The world is overwhelmingly pro Palestine

That's arguable, certainly in the west at least. Even if most people oppose the current war/atrocities that doesn't mean that they generally favour Palestine (or especially Hamas..) over Israel (.e.g. like you didn't have to be pro-Sadam to oppose the war in Iraq).

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