ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

Post by protomolecule » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 9:41 PM UTC

timcobb wrote: post #404

diego_moita wrote: post #226

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> SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights. Well, who does? Among the major players in world politics I can't see any country with a clean reputation on human rights. Disclaimer: I am Brazilian, a country with an horrible record of police brutality, of farmers killing indigenous people and environmental activists and an hypocritical ambivalence towards Putin's crimes…

I mean, sure. Personally, I’m a relativist. It’s just weird to see the country that recently bent itself backwards—like no other country—to let Vladimir Putin into its territory (it was reported they even considering leaving the ICC), is now bringing suit in the ICC for arguably less worse crimes than Putin. SA was not just apathetic to the genocide/domicide in Ukraine, it basically went out of its way to be party to…

Post by throwaway8877 » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 9:42 PM UTC

hypeit wrote: post #372

tptacek wrote: post #337

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It's under-remarked on, but for a majority of Israeli Jewish people, the nakba era might have more immediate salience than the Holocaust. That's because they're not, as the popular imagination has it, all colonists from Europe; they're the Jewish people of the Middle East and North Africa, all of whom were forcefully expelled from their own homes after 1948. There's no question that the Holocaust has enormous salienc…

Zionists worked to recruit Jewish people from Arab nations to populate Israel. It wasn't until Zionist intervention that hostilities ramped up. Zionists even false flag attacked Iraqi Jews to help spur immigration to Israel: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/iraq-jews-attacks-zionist...

Post by FpUser » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 9:44 PM UTC

timcobb wrote: post #200

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #71

I usually refrain from making much political commentary. I will say this: SA is a deeply troubled country, but for once I think the ruling government has actually done a good thing by pursuing this.

> South Africa asks ICC to exempt it from Putin arrest https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2YY1E6/ SA does not really present itself as an earnest or true actor in the sphere oh human rights.

Post by hypeit » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 9:45 PM UTC

pgeorgi wrote: post #474

locallost wrote: post #466

My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246 Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important. Quote: "Westerners must ope…

All correct and yet, what should happen? Israel stops their campaign. And then? Spend tons of money on iron dome to shoot down the rockets and hope that Hamas won't manage to conduct another massacre, even if "only" half the scope of October 7? This mess features not one but two parties who currently reject the concept of a cease fire.

Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Fri, Jan 26, 2024, 9:46 PM UTC

locallost wrote: post #466

My views on the situation aside, the clearest I saw anyone communicate the issues from a global angle was the former French prime minister Dominique de Villepin Translated here: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1718201487132885246 Viewed from the angle of the West, I think the message it needs to avoid isolating itself from the world is very unusual for Western media and important. Quote: "Westerners must ope…