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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by moogly »

vladgur wrote: post #144
voisin wrote: post #6

Perhaps I am unlearned in this area but I am unclear why the Jewish state, after its people experienced the atrocities of World War II, would act in this manner toward the Palestinians. Can anyone shed light on this? I understand completely the need to rid the world of Hamas terrorists, but in the process they have shown a reckless disregard (to put it mildly) for Palestinian people and their wellbeing.

I was in my 20s and remember the feeling in the air after Al Qaeda members hijacked commercial planes and flew them into WTC in 2001. Fear, Anger, A bit of revenge. Many of Americans, including soviet immigrants, enlisted in the army driven by that feeling. Israelis lost significantly more of their population percentage-wise during October 7 attack perpetrated by the official government of Gaza AND as we know now, so…

> its fairly simple for me to empathize with the Israeli public who are angry at the death of their fellow citizens and want Hamas to be punished

Definitely. Conversely, it should also be fairly simple to empathize with the Palestinian public in the (just picking one fairly recent example) Operation Cast Iron aftermath.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by biorach »

charred_patina wrote: post #149
biorach wrote: post #130

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> when westerners stop supporting Israel they adopt antisemitic viewpoints. That is very definately not a given. There are many, a majority I hope, of "westerners" who oppose the actions of the state of Israel without becoming anti semetic

Not all, sorry I should have qualified that statement. I was just trying to point out that when Israel claims that it stands for all jews, it can backfire and actually end up causing more antisemitism. I have added some qualifying statements.

thank you for the polite response and the prompt edit

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by dang »

johnnyworker wrote: post #135
bsaul wrote: post #68

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Note that the least you can say is that escalation is happening on both sides. Oct 7 level of atrocities has never been seen before in israel.

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Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by reso »

Animats wrote: post #98

There is another player. China is interested in resolving the Gaza conflict.[1] China's position is that, since the existing world order, the International Court of Justice and the United States, can't resolve this, China should become involved. Chinese container shipping lines COSCO and OOCL have suspended trade with Israel. China has already provided some aid to Gaza.[2] Gaza has a sizable coastline, and China has…

I was with you until chinese contested amphibious landing in occupied gaza. China’s big picture strategy is to grow while not being drained by small conflicts the way the US is. This would be totally against that strategy.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by ilikehurdles »

pydry wrote: post #138
adwn wrote: post #129

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There isnt a genocide going on in Ukraine. Both sides have made the accusation but there's nothing meeting the legal threshold like there is in Gaza.

Yeah, unlike in Ukraine, Gaza’s hospitals are firing back.

Re: ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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Post by erikson »

Animats wrote: post #98

There is another player. China is interested in resolving the Gaza conflict.[1] China's position is that, since the existing world order, the International Court of Justice and the United States, can't resolve this, China should become involved. Chinese container shipping lines COSCO and OOCL have suspended trade with Israel. China has already provided some aid to Gaza.[2] Gaza has a sizable coastline, and China has…

China doesn’t like things that cause revolts. Because rebellions can be infectious.

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Post by Quillbert182 »

criddell wrote: post #157
Manuel_D wrote: post #120

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Amphibious landings are highly vulnerable, and almost impossible to pull off without air superiority. What gives the impression that China's amphibious landing ships are resistant to anti-shipping missiles? Every article on modern naval combat I've read highlights just how vulnerable surface vessels are to attack, and how crucial it is to keep them out of range. I am incredibly dubious that China would land military…

Do you think Israel would fire on those ships?

If China tried to land troops in Gaza I imagine they absolutely would.
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