What about AI cats?
Wasn't that pretty much the Tamagotchi craze?
Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
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Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
#102So, don't have kids, or even a relationship with an actual human, just live your life in your own favorite make believe world. Because, obviously, you're at the center of the universe and it all revolves around _your_ "feelings".
At least this isn't contributing more monkeys to the already over-burdended planet...
Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely not. If anything, that's further evidence of my point, and I literally almost mentioned it before deciding my comment was getting a bit rambling already. Anyhow, assuming for the sake of argument that OKCupid's data is valid and replicates, then there's two responses: The short and somewhat silly argument is that women also say they care about attractiveness a lot less than men do, so it all averages out.…
Whatever you say might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that say on Tinder, 95% of women go after 5% of men. It might not be physical looks as such, but whatever the metric is, women want the top, at least for casual relationship. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mbf6wg/oc_... (There's gender imbalance on tinder but it's not enough to explain 20:1 difference).
Further, and much more importantly, you're looking at data showing how often men and women like potential partners, but you're trying to deduce from it how often men and women are liked by potential partners. It's interesting that women apparently only "like" 3.2% of the men they see, but that does not in any way suggest that only 3.2% of men will be "liked" by a woman.
Consider two hypothetical worlds:
In world 1, each woman is very selective (and is only open to dating 1% of men), but every woman has selected a different 1% to be interested in.
In world 2, women are unselective (and are open to dating 30% of men), but all women have chosen the same 30% of men to pursue.
Obviously both worlds seem to differ signiicantly from our own, and each has some challenges! But fairly obviously despite women in world 1 being 30 times pickier, all men could at least in theory find a partner who wanted to date them, whereas in world 2 the majority of men would never do so. And yet if you replicated the graph you linked for world 1, it would have the red bar for the female line take up 99% of the graph. It's really not showing what you think it is.
(Again, I have to stress: I am not trying to claim I know how dating or attraction works, or what the median experience for using a dating app is actually is like; I am instead pointing out that nobody seems to know this, because we lack data.)
Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whatever you say might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that say on Tinder, 95% of women go after 5% of men. It might not be physical looks as such, but whatever the metric is, women want the top, at least for casual relationship. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mbf6wg/oc_... (There's gender imbalance on tinder but it's not enough to explain 20:1 difference).
Again, you're assuming that men and women are using the app in the same way, and that a "like" means the same thing. If you assume that women typically only "like" men they would be open to dating, but men will "like" anyone even vaguely plausible with a plan on filtering out poor matches later in the process, you'd see data like this, but it wouldn't support your conclusion. (Is this happening? No idea; again, you'd…
Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, you're assuming that men and women are using the app in the same way, and that a "like" means the same thing. If you assume that women typically only "like" men they would be open to dating, but men will "like" anyone even vaguely plausible with a plan on filtering out poor matches later in the process, you'd see data like this, but it wouldn't support your conclusion. (Is this happening? No idea; again, you'd…
The fact that men like 50% of women and are liked back 1% of the time seems to support world 2.
World 1: Men evaluate women on highly idiosyncratic scales. They "like" women in the top 53% of their personal scale, but it's a different scale for each man. All women are "liked" by 53% of men (but it's a different 53% for each woman). Women also evaluate men on highly idiosyncratic scales. They "like" men in the top 5% of their personal scale, but it's a different scale for each woman. All men are "liked" by 5% of women (but it's a different 5% for each woman). Due to their lower standards, men end up "liking" a lot of women who do not "like" them back, but nonetheless, every man will find a mutual match once in every 100 profiles they look at. Women are more selective, and better at focusing their attention on the type of men who might "like" them back, but overall success rates are broadly similar, and every woman will find a mutual match 1.8 times in every 100 profiles they look at.
World 2: Men rank women on a shared objective measure of attractiveness, and "like" any woman in the top 53% of the scale, so 53% of women are "liked" by all men, and 47% are "liked" by no men. Women also rank men on a shared objective measure of attractiveness, and "like" any man in the top 5% of the scale, so 5% of men are "liked" by all women, and 95% of men are "liked" by no women.
Note that in this model on average, 5% of all "likes" from men to women will be mutual, but 95% of men will "like" women and it will never be mutual while 5% of men will "like" women but it will always be mutual. Similarly, on average, 47% of "likes" from women to men will be mutual, but 47% of women will "like" men and it will never be mutual while 53% of women will "like" men and it will always be mutual. (Further note that since most relationships are monogamous, while a bare majority of women can find a mutual match, an overwhelming majority will not have it progress into a relationship since all women are chasing the same 5% of men.)
World 1 matches the graph perfectly, but describes a situation where merely looking at 100 profiles on Tinder guarantees every man a mutual match no matter how ugly or undesirable you may be. World 2 also matches the graph pretty closely, but dooms the vast majority of men and women to be unable to find a relationship at all.
Neither world seems very similar to our own to me (although I do recognise a specific subgroup of men intuit that world 2 is fairly close!), but the fact of the matter is we can't distinguish between world 1, world 2, or reality based on the graph you linked.
Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
This to me is the larger issue. Younger people are more isolated than ever. Dating apps have commodified human intimacy in a way that will have generational consequences. I was watching "Married at First Sight" in the background as filler noise, and something that stood out was a bachelor that had been on 100+ first dates in the past year. The second anything he didn't like came up, he would pull back and go on a dif…
Part of the problem is nothing is free anymore. I was just looking at ski tickets, and its like $100 just for the lift tickets. How are teens or people from lower classes able to afford things now. Is inflation pricing out people out of real world experiences, and instead they're offered virtual substitutions. Just another form of junk food, except for the mind.