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Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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I think this really comes down to how we define "difficulty". If "success" is defined as "being able to quickly find a partner for sex and/or a relationship". Yeah, sorry. The genders ain't equal here. Women have a VASTLY easier time with that. Admittedly anecdotal, but throughout my entire life, every single one of my female friends has had multiple people figuratively lined up to date them. And no, the standard of…

> Women, for the most part, just have to exist.

Curious how this is taken when you say it to a woman in person instead of online in a tech bro echo chamber?

> AI partners are going to completely upend society for both genders, and it's going to be a really really interesting time.

If there was a way to short this belief, I’d be the next Dr. Michael Burry.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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> equal levels of dissatisfaction Women usually complain about not being able to find “good” men, though, while men report not being able to find _any_ women.

I would be somewhat skeptical of that without hard evidence. It's certainly trivial to find (many, many) examples of single men complaining that there are literally no women in the dating pool while simultaneously discounting out of hand all women who are too fat, have had too many prior partners, are too ugly, are too tall, are older than them (or in extreme cases, are the same age as them), make too much money, hav…

Would you count that women consistently rate 80% of men as below-average-looking for evidence? Source: okcupid.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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That doesn’t really make sense statistically speaking

In general, men and women are single at the same rate, about 31% for the population 18 and older. The gaps are found when you look into demographic information. According to Pew Research data from 2020, in the 18-29 age group 51% of men are single compared to 32% of women. The ratio improves in the 30-49 age group where 27% of men are single compared to 19% of women. 50-64 has the smallest gap where 27% of men are si…

Being single is not the same as trying, and failing, to find a mate.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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I think this really comes down to how we define "difficulty". If "success" is defined as "being able to quickly find a partner for sex and/or a relationship". Yeah, sorry. The genders ain't equal here. Women have a VASTLY easier time with that. Admittedly anecdotal, but throughout my entire life, every single one of my female friends has had multiple people figuratively lined up to date them. And no, the standard of…

> Women, for the most part, just have to exist. Curious how this is taken when you say it to a woman in person instead of online in a tech bro echo chamber? > AI partners are going to completely upend society for both genders, and it's going to be a really really interesting time. If there was a way to short this belief, I’d be the next Dr. Michael Burry.

> Curious how this is taken when you say it to a woman in person instead of online in a tech bro echo chamber?

My wife doesn't seem to have a problem with it. And some of my female friends have made similar comments unprompted. But I'm fully aware that many women will find it highly offensive.

Are you making any point here besides "I don't like your observation."? A fact can be offensive/uncomfortable, and still be true.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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I would be somewhat skeptical of that without hard evidence. It's certainly trivial to find (many, many) examples of single men complaining that there are literally no women in the dating pool while simultaneously discounting out of hand all women who are too fat, have had too many prior partners, are too ugly, are too tall, are older than them (or in extreme cases, are the same age as them), make too much money, hav…

Would you count that women consistently rate 80% of men as below-average-looking for evidence? Source: okcupid.

Absolutely not. If anything, that's further evidence of my point, and I literally almost mentioned it before deciding my comment was getting a bit rambling already.

Anyhow, assuming for the sake of argument that OKCupid's data is valid and replicates, then there's two responses:

The short and somewhat silly argument is that women also say they care about attractiveness a lot less than men do, so it all averages out. Men care about attractiveness and have an accurate perception of it; women don't care about it and have an inaccurate perception of it. Neither a big deal nor surprising.

The longer point though is that yes, men, judging women's attractiveness, say very different things than women do, when judging men's attractiveness (again, if we believe OKCupid's data). But that doesn't tell us anything about how men and women perceive attractiveness, it just tells us how they talk about attractiveness, and in the exact same way that we might be skeptical when a man says "there's literally no one to date" (and suspect they mean there's just no one they feel meets their standards who will date them), we might be skeptical of a woman that marks most men down as being below average attractiveness. Is there, say, some bit of cultural conditioning pushing women to rank men as unattractive when they don't want to date them for a non-appearance reason? Or to rank men as unattractive to avoid seeming too eager, even when they do find them attractive? How often do women end up dating men they rank as unattractive, and how does this rate compare to the rate of men dating women they rank as unattractive? And we could go on, but the point is that when you start to dig into it, the pattern falls apart, suggesting this is a quirk of the survey design at best, and not an real insight into meaningful differences betweem male and female bahaviour.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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It's like men are visually motivated and women are verbally motivated. Almost like the sexes are... different .

They're raised with different expectations of what is acceptable... do you really think society treats horny men and women in the same way? Am I an effeminate man for reading erotica? Is my girlfriend a masculine woman for watching porn? So bizarre to watch people misuse evopsych for these takes

> They're raised with different expectations of what is acceptable...

I see your nurture over nature take. I'm not convinced that environment beats it biology in this case, but I'm not expert.

> Am I an effeminate man for reading erotica? Is my girlfriend a masculine woman for watching porn?

As I said in reply to another comment here: generalizations are useful until they aren't. In single person cases a broad generalization is not particularly useful, as it is meant to describe common or emergent behaviors in groups of people. Are you and your SO farther down the curve of the distribution? Sure. Is one trait predominantly associated with one sex and the other with the other? Yes. Does that matter so much? Only as much as you want it to.

My observation isn't "bad" or "good", it is only an acknowledgement of general contrast between the sexes.

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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Would you count that women consistently rate 80% of men as below-average-looking for evidence? Source: okcupid.

Absolutely not. If anything, that's further evidence of my point, and I literally almost mentioned it before deciding my comment was getting a bit rambling already. Anyhow, assuming for the sake of argument that OKCupid's data is valid and replicates, then there's two responses: The short and somewhat silly argument is that women also say they care about attractiveness a lot less than men do, so it all averages out.…

Whatever you say might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that say on Tinder, 95% of women go after 5% of men. It might not be physical looks as such, but whatever the metric is, women want the top, at least for casual relationship.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mbf6wg/oc_...

(There's gender imbalance on tinder but it's not enough to explain 20:1 difference).

Re: Everyone always talks about AI girlfriends. What about AI boyfriends?

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You don't need an AI boyfriend. Just buy a console and a headset and you could talk to an infinite amount of real (mostly) male people, many of whom would be very interested in a female on the mic.

If by "interested" you mean point out your gender, call you slurs, and ask you for pics, then... sure?
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