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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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> No one ever shows what these should and could actually be used for - incredibly boring and repetitive tasks. Agreed! That’s precisely why we created https://openadapt.ai .

Just FYI the email field on your homepage is white text on white background for me (Firefox on Windows). Was very hard to sign up.

Thank you for letting me know!

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #68

So many questions. Is this a YC company? Did they apply? Does anyone know anything about them at all? It just screams scam to me. Who would give them $200 for vapor? [Edit: I have been told the device has been demoed in a comment below, so perhaps it might be real.] Let’s say Apple were to do this. Apple would take years to get it right but when they announced it would be with a date with an accuracy to within a cert…

> It just doesn’t smell right that a team led by a guy who can’t manage to pronounce his own first name clearly could think through all the issues and have a coherent vision within a year of when LLMs really took off.

Weird ad hominem. Your entire comment reeks of a bundle of biases.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #152

Note that this is not a Teenage Engineering product. This is a product sold by Rabbit - and they hired TE to help as a design agency.

Think it's a mistake having the main product design team as an external resource not a core part of the company. Wont be a coherent vision.

I’m extremely bearish on this app. But Pininfarina basically saved Ferrari, revived Ferrari’s little brother Maserati and gave life back to Volvo. If done right (clearly defined roles, collaboration, design maturity etc) it works well.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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I also don't understand why they call it LLM. it isn't.

I think they call it a Large Action Model not an LLM.

They can call it whatever they want but it’s essentially IFTT + DOM scraping /automation (“teaching” lol) for places without an official API with a super thin AI veneer. Mostly for suggestions.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #298

In the linked keynote, Jesse Lyu mentions that LLM won't help us actually do tasks - there are currently no so-called "agents" that do something simple like book a flight - the best way to do it is still to click the buttons yourself. Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it…

> Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it is successful, it will lead to more centralisation around Rabbit. The LAM is a genius hack to get around the thousands of closed gardens that apps have created. It also may have been easier than teaching an LLM how to make tons of AP…

You’re much more impressed than I am.

90% of use cases will be covered by an official API.

They’ll cover the other 10% with “teaching”. Essentially you telling the AI what the lazily written markup actually means. Then they save it into an automation template. QA teams have only been doing that for the better part of 3 decades.

I know a company that employs a building of a 1,000 people doing nothing but performing 1 click. So they put a human in the scraping /automation loop so they don’t violate the site/services TOS.

Good luck with that.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #298

In the linked keynote, Jesse Lyu mentions that LLM won't help us actually do tasks - there are currently no so-called "agents" that do something simple like book a flight - the best way to do it is still to click the buttons yourself. Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. I'm not sure this is the right approach - if it…

> Rabbit means to solve that by creating a "LAM", a "Large Action model", which is a service by Rabbit that will click interfaces for you. https://openadapt.ai is an open source app that runs on your local machine that clicks interfaces for you -— but only for repetitive tasks that you show it how to do.

QA teams have been doing this sort of stuff for decades. With a little know how and an hour you could record a user doing something in the DOM and play it back. There’s no magic here.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #398

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I'm very interested in what Apple does with LLMs on iDevices. They have the right hardware for it and they have all the motivation, with their focus on on-device processing. OTOH they also have a pretty bad history with their AI assistant.

They should have been building this instead of Vision Pro white elephant

They could buy OpenAI two times with just their cash on hand.

This isn’t a case where they had to choose one or the other (not saying that you’re saying that). It seems like they were genuinely caught off guard.

They let almost the entire original Siri team walk didn’t they?

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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post #356

What's the advantage of this vs a smartphone? Realistically, are you going to carry two gadgets with you? I feel like a lot of people don't like the smartphone, because, being a general purpose computer, it takes away the excuse to buy all sorts of different gadgets.

having a purpose built device reduces number of clicks and other friction. currently phones are hostile to AI interaction (not that I'm entertaining this specific device)

Yep. What they’ve done is deceptively simple. This is a weekend project with off the shelf APIs and a few Github repos.

It’s the dedicated appliance that’s the genius part and what makes it feel like magic.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

#510
I feel like we could do this on a steam deck with docker, ollama, mistral, and crewai.

push a button and talk to the ear buds.

On wifi at least. without a camera.

Not sure if any models are trained with app screenshots and interactions quite yet though. Shouldn't be long.

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