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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by furyofantares »

I'd totally buy a ChatGPT+ device for my 7yo and I imagine people around the house would use it quite a bit.

Not sure I want to replace any other actions yet. Probably someday, but touch + apps is actually just incredibly good. A sub-1yo can start learning to use a smartphone / ipad, and a 6yo can put together an uber eats order. I'm not saying it can't be improved on, and I fully want a competent voice assistant in my phone. But it's gonna be real hard to do better than what we already have in our pockets on the things they're already good at.

So this presentation fell flat is for me are when it was talking about doing things pretty much everyone does just fine on their phone. But it was very exciting to imagine a ChatGPT+ device sitting around the house for anyone to pick up and interact with.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by thatguysaguy »

ttul wrote: post #18
drawnwren wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the optimistic take for investors is maybe they make some interesting LLM-phone tech and get acquired?

That seems unlikely given that both Apple and Google have been employing the world's top ML scientists for years, have unlimited budgets, have better access to customers than any startup (to find out what customers want), and ... need I go on? Yes, it's nice that "Rabbit" is exploring this area and being innovative, but unless their particular take on mobile phones catches the world unexpectedly by storm, nobody will…

I think an acquisition does seem pretty likely actually. Google still has yet to make assistant do anything interesting, despite leading the way on the research side of things. Also keep in mind that they lost a ton of AI talent to startups.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by thatguysaguy »

zyang wrote: post #49

Does the LLM run on device or in cloud. Can't find any info on the website but I assume device that size everything runs in the backend?

Def cloud, we don't have the tech to run what they're doing on that small of a device atm. (At least not at that price point).

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by furyofantares »

Gys wrote: post #26
rsolva wrote: post #23

That Teenage Engineering is collaborating on this makes this a very interesting device. But I would not call it a phone? A pocket assistant maybe?

Where did you see them mentioned? For sure makes it more real!

In the video when they first show the actual device.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by superfrank »

mattmaroon wrote: post #54
LASR wrote: post #4

Quick feedback if the founders are watching this: Please allow controls on your keynote video. The video production quality looks great. But I am not watching it if I don't know if it's a 30s one or a 30minute one.

Also please describe it in pictures and words too. Video only really limits where I can watch this. I’m in a waiting currently and I’m not about to just play a video like some sort of psycho.

> I’m in a waiting currently and I’m not about to just play a video like some sort of psycho.

Funny enough, I think them releasing only a video perfectly aligns with their product and why I think this will fail. They seem to have completely overestimated how often people want to read or write and underestimated the number of scenarios where needing to talk or listen to my phone is inappropriate.

I'm assuming if you had this phone, you'd feel like just as much of a psycho if you had to dictate every command to it while sitting in that same waiting room.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by natch »

So many questions. Is this a YC company? Did they apply? Does anyone know anything about them at all? It just screams scam to me. Who would give them $200 for vapor? [Edit: I have been told the device has been demoed in a comment below, so perhaps it might be real.]

Let’s say Apple were to do this. Apple would take years to get it right but when they announced it would be with a date with an accuracy to within a certain quarter. And it would just work on day one. Of course it would be saddled with subscriptions, but it would be real.

It just doesn’t smell right that a team led by a guy who can’t manage to pronounce his own first name clearly could think through all the issues and have a coherent vision within a year of when LLMs really took off.

Another possibility my paranoid mind comes up with here is the team/founder caught wind of some half baked research from inside Apple and decided they would try to pull a fast one and whip out a product before Apple could. And by the way, again of course it’s vapor, until it’s not, but we are still at the “it is” stage.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by yellow_postit »

jadengeller wrote: post #59
rgbrgb wrote: post #9

Note that this is a Teenage Engineering collab! Pretty exciting and a crazy low price point for something with their name on it. This isn't a phone though right? The title seems wrong.

Yeah, the price difference between this and Teenage Engineering's own products is wild! It's worth noting the Playdate (by Panic) is designed by Teenage Engineering and also just $200. https://shop.play.date

I was pleasantly surprised by the Play date and feel ok at this price point taking a bet that this will be an enjoyable novelty.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by muricula »

ryanklee wrote: post #51
samb1729 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CPP?

It's an LLM technology that allows certain models to run on CPUs rather than big beefy GPUs. Makes running locally viable for consumers.

Is there a specific paper or something you can point me to? Or are you talking about like llama.cpp? Because I thought that referred to the fact that it was originally one c++ file named llama.cpp?
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