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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by oceanplexian »

BoppreH wrote: post #342
dvt wrote: post #287

I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

Assistants are cool, but I want better tools . Give me a timeline with all my emails, chats, documents, and pictures shown together. Full text search on my entire browsing history. Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet. Controlling my phone from my desktop, and vice versa. As a bonus, those capabilities don't require uploading your data to the cloud or risking LLM hallucinations.

> Exporting my Booking.com search results as a spreadsheet.

Yeah except they actively don’t want you to have access to your data. They want you locked in to their shitty platform. And these companies will actually fight your ability to get data out, like Reddit or Twitter when they shut down their public APIs.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by __d »

alkonaut wrote: post #256
sbarre wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect your feeling/position on this, but I don't understand it... What feels "dumb" about it? Is the perception of others towards you when you do this? Because that ship has sailed, people Vlog on the sidewalk and do TikTok videos in the subway, and Facetime their mom or brother at the grocery store or in the mall and have long video conversations with each other out loud.. I'm not saying this to be dismissive. A…

> people Vlog on the sidewalk and do TikTok videos in the subway Not without me giving them the "Have you escaped from an institution" look they don't. And you judge yourself as you judge others. If I were to say "Add eggs to shopping list" on the bus, I'd instantly feel the stares of a dozen people as I look on my phone in shame (That's whether or not I'm alone on the bus). And my shame is justified too.

I wouldn't do it on the bus, because it's just rude.

But I'd do it in the car, or the kitchen, if it was reliable and didn't require sharing anything with anyone.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nabakin »

jmull wrote: post #292
nabakin wrote: post #261

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They have a confirmation dialogue in the keynote. As long as they do that well and for every important action, I don't think it will be a problem

How do you know the LLM is going to do what you confirmed? There's a fundamental tension here: either you limit the LLM to a set of fixed actions that a user can individually understand and confirm. Or you let it figure out what to do and how to do it given a higher-level goal. In the first case, it's limited and not really better than a well-designed site or app. In the second it's powerful but can run amok. E.g., d…

The whole system isn't an LLM. At the point they are asking for confirmation, they've already parsed the required information and handed it off to normal code. It's not going to change again.

Ultimately, an LLM only has the capability to take a string as input and output another string. Any other functionality (Uber, search, travel, etc) has to be manually programmed in via APIs. For the foreseeable future, a fixed set of actions is the only way to do this reliably and is what this device does so talking about the second case of an LLM run amok is a moot point.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nabakin »

rcarmo wrote: post #284
nabakin wrote: post #261

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They have a confirmation dialogue in the keynote. As long as they do that well and for every important action, I don't think it will be a problem

Funny thing that the keynote only demoed “Confirm” and never “Correct”/“Change this”, etc.

Absolutely and that will be a major usability problem when LLMs get things wrong as they so often do

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by coffeebeqn »

paxys wrote: post #279
coffeebeqn wrote: post #277

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Oculus? I guess it’s been over a decade already

Founded July 2012. And while the company was successful in the sense that it got an exit its product isn't exactly doing too well.

I’ve used their products. While the market is still small it is one of the coolest hardware projects I’ve ever experienced

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by drcode »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #260

What's the advantage of this vs a smartphone? Realistically, are you going to carry two gadgets with you? I feel like a lot of people don't like the smartphone, because, being a general purpose computer, it takes away the excuse to buy all sorts of different gadgets.

having a purpose built device reduces number of clicks and other friction. currently phones are hostile to AI interaction (not that I'm entertaining this specific device)

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by computerliker »

The device itself is really cute. I'm not sure about handing oauth tokens to all my accounts to a third party for them to run huginn/selenium on a backend that might not be online for more than a year. I'm barely comfortable with Alexa having a connection to my iTunes for podcasts. What happens when Uber or whoever decides to throw a captcha between Rabbit and the web frontend?

I'd like to see it do more than help me buy things. Teach mode seems to be the main way to do productivity tasks?

https://github.com/huginn/huginn

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by ssnistfajen »

andybak wrote: post #299
dvt wrote: post #287

I feel like the R1 is getting a lot of weird hate here on HN. I get it, it's a bit pretentious and wants to be very Apple-like, yadda yadda. Probably not that much value generation, it's overpriced, and no one wants to carry another thing in their pocket. And yes, the company will likely go bankrupt (or pivot into something less exciting). It's also all in the cloud (no local inference) so it doesn't really even "do"…

The strangest thing about AI is that a lot of it's value comes from the fact that it's better at using the tools that we designed for humans than we are. It's essentially an admission of failure. I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from this observation however.

Automated programs are not limited by stamina, attention span, sleep cycles, etc. so I don't think AIs being better at something is necessarily an indicator of failure for humans.

Dogs were used to rotate roasting spits in Britain during the Early Modern era: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnspit_dog Does this mean humans were inferior to dogs at the task? Absolutely not. It was just a more efficient alternative based on what was available to them at that point in time.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by modeless »

BoppreH wrote: post #313

The keynote is near science fiction, but the actual implementation is leaving me badly confused. - Did it really scan the whole table to add a new column? As in, OCR? What would happen if I had more than one screenful of data, and who in their right mind would trust the OCR'ed output? - How can it access the Discord account for the "teach mode"? Is it stealing your (sensitive and expiring!) cookies to reproduce the a…

It could be using accessibility APIs instead of OCR. That seems like the sensible thing to me.
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