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Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nabakin »

jmull wrote: post #254

I'm not sure people want an LLM assistant that can actually do things like spend their money. A minor convenience when it works well. A major inconvenience when it doesn't. (And it doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with nightmare scenarios.) Love the gadget, though. I feel like I want to eat it or build a Lego castle around it, or just look at it more.

They have a confirmation dialogue in the keynote. As long as they do that well and for every important action, I don't think it will be a problem

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by diebeforei485 »

josephwegner wrote: post #117

How in the world are they going to make money on this? Perhaps the hardware is cheap to manufacture, but with no subscription I feel like they are going to get taken to the cleaner on LLM API fees. Even if they're running the LLM themselves, it's not cheap. Could they really be getting enough margin on the device to pay their staff _and_ all of that infra? Or maybe this is another VC-backed sale price :)

Presumably the optional data sim plans.

It's not much different than Sony selling PlayStations at a low price but making money off the games.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by layer8 »

dingnuts wrote: post #125
scblock wrote: post #100

How can you so badly fail at even saying what the hell this is on your shitty glossy web site? What is this? The page is just a list of hardware 'features' with large but unclear pictures. "push to talk button" ok, so? "far-field mike" ok, so? "360 degree rotational eye" so what? "analog scroll wheel" that does what? "usb-c plus sim card slot" which gives me what? There's a video but I shouldn't have to watch a video…

well, it tells me enough: the only input method is the mic, so you cannot silently enter any input into this device. I don't need everyone around me to hear my Kagi searches or text messages dictated to my device. So, it's not for me. Since it's all cloud-based and has a far-field mic, I would also ask people around me not to use this device, if they had one, and turn it off if they are around me. As far as I can tel…

There's actually a touchscreen keyboard you can use instead, which they mention in the keynote.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by nabakin »

rmah wrote: post #263

I can't even tell what that gadget is for. I can't tell what it does. There is nothing about what it can do for me (or anyone for that matter).

There's a keynote which explains it pretty well. It's basically a cheap phone focused 100% around an LLM assistant

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by endofreach »

Hamuko wrote: post #151
endofreach wrote: post #145

How do companies like this get funding? Do they get it before even having a prototype?

I assume by selling products to customers.

Its serious question. I am stuck in a loop of taking clients money to bootstrap my startup but i need much more to pay a few other engineers to show companies like these that they produce garbage. Even apple is running in the totally wrong direction.

Until now i was under the impression i'd need to hustle more to earn cash & build the prototype. But that won't be fast enough. I can't watch people that just don't get it but try to imitate apple (website, keynote, lol) with just some bullshit.

The more i watch from the sidelines, the more i am reassured that we are building something incredible that nobody sees coming. But we are not located in the EU, not the US. So i am not sure what i should do.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by layer8 »

infotainment wrote: post #95

As usual with Teenage Engineering, I love the hardware design, but this aspect of the software is a letdown: > rabbit OS operates apps on our secured cloud, so you don’t have to. Log into the apps you’d like rabbit to use on your system through the rabbit hole to relay control. You only need to do this once per app. So things don't run on the device, but on the cloud. Unfortunate.

It's currently completely unrealistic to run that level of universal LLM on a pocket device.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by canucker2016 »

endofreach wrote: post #145

How do companies like this get funding? Do they get it before even having a prototype?

Experience in the domain.

They must have had a prototype to get their initial $20M funding (Oct 4) as well as another $10M announced 10 weeks later (just 3 weeks ago).

see https://www.rabbit.tech/updates/rabbit-raises-20m and https://www.rabbit.tech/updates/rabbit-raises-additional-10m

But the actual rabbit device in the keynote could have come later. The cloud backend including the LLM is independent of the rabbit device. They could've demo'ed an app on an iPhone to show the VCs - there's nothing rabbit-device-specific that an iPhone or Android phone couldn't do.

Re: Rabbit: LLM-First Mobile Phone

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Post by endofreach »

paxys wrote: post #243
everythingctl wrote: post #192

Has any startup succeeded by starting out offering shiny hardware running innovative new software, all of which they have to develop? It seems like a fatal dilution of focus to have to worry about the design and logistics of a fancy dumb terminal widget when you also have to get the software/AI/app integration stuff right. Just make an app with text and voice interaction. Accept that the thing in our pockets with a s…

I don't think there has been a single successful hardware startup in the last decade, so the answer to your question is safely "no" without even going into specifics. Which is sad, because I'm sure there's room for a lot more innovative devices in the world outside of a single glass rectangle in your pocket that everyone must plug into in some way. The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to sur…

> The economics of the industry just makes it very hard for them to survive

Care to expand on that?

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