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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Almondsetat »

louthy wrote: post #328
fsflover wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike the other commenter, you make personal attacks here and yet you are too convinced about your high ground.

> "Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal" He literally tried to imply incompetence. That is a personal attack. When the entire point of this thread was to empathise with non-techy people installing and setting up a Linux distro. It's not about me, I'm able to resolve issues that come up with the myriad operating-systems I've used in the four decades of using and programming…

You wrote a bunch of baseless projections. This explains the tone of your other replies.

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Post by SteveNuts »

jimmaswell wrote: post #216
SteveNuts wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don’t, but why ship broken features at all? If I can install something from the OS it shouldn’t come broken and insecure. It just feels like such a strange platform to build a server on to me.

They shipped it marked as deprecated to support people already using it, but to discourage new use. You can't really complain after ignoring that warning.

There's no indication it's deprecated, it'll let you install it in its broken state with no warning.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by toastercat »

nurettin wrote: post #317
toastercat wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t see a point in spending $1500+ on a PC for diminishing returns in performance and game compatibility. You can get a PC that can run modern games for far less than $1500; in fact, slapping a ~$200 GPU into a ~$200 office PC will get you 80% of the way there. > It’s also common for new AAA PC releases to be much worse than their console counterparts. The opposite is far more common from what I can tell (conso…

> console versions are botched and have performance issues, f.e., Cyberpunk Wasn't that game broken on all platforms?

Yes, but it was unplayable on console at launch.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by PawgerZ »

nurettin wrote: post #317
toastercat wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t see a point in spending $1500+ on a PC for diminishing returns in performance and game compatibility. You can get a PC that can run modern games for far less than $1500; in fact, slapping a ~$200 GPU into a ~$200 office PC will get you 80% of the way there. > It’s also common for new AAA PC releases to be much worse than their console counterparts. The opposite is far more common from what I can tell (conso…

> console versions are botched and have performance issues, f.e., Cyberpunk Wasn't that game broken on all platforms?

PS4/XBox One: Unplayable

PS5/Series X: playable, lots of crashes and bugs

PC: playable, some crashes, lots of bugs

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Post by acuozzo »

joshspankit wrote: post #311
acuozzo wrote: post #256

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> Why run Windows at that point? I use several specialized film restoration applications which are developed for Windows exclusively. Nothing comparable exists in the F/OSS world and I'm not prepared to trade work output quality for ideological purity.

When you’re able to get a decent first-pass response on the prompt “AI, make me a specialized film restoration application and make it F/OSS”, will that be enough to tip the scales?

If you're trying to suss-out if I'm some kind of Windows fanboy in disguise, then trust me when I say I'm not. I have one beefy Windows machine for this hobby. Everything else in the house is some flavor of BSD or GNU/Linux.

Now, if you're asking if I'll pursue competitors (AI written or not) offering the best-in-class tools for what I wish to accomplish, then of course I will, regardless of any potential ideological sacrifices I have to make to get it running.

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Post by k8svet »

louthy wrote: post #325
k8svet wrote: post #270

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> still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup It reads like the prototypical "I tried Linux a decade ago and keep repeating the experience as if it represents reality today". Hell, 10 years ago was when I met my ex and I can't remember any time during that period that I actually "struggled" with anything other than Nvidia+Wayland before I stopped giving Nvidia money. "finding drivers"?…

Great anecdote, thanks for sharing. But the next time you decide to be a patronising asshole to someone you’ve never met and who very likely has significantly more experience than you, maybe remember this meme [1] Because it describes you completely. The point, in case you completely missed it, is to empathise with the average user. Not me, I’m able to resolve the issues that arise in Linux land (or know when to stop…

> But the next time you decide to be a patronising asshole to someone you’ve never met and who very likely has significantly more experience than you, maybe remember this meme

Well, I touched a nerve, but apparently not the nerve that would've caused you to substantiate your point with any specifics or details whatsoever, thereby re-confirming my suspicion.

> ho very likely has significantly more experience than you

Shrug, I can give detailed examples of things I have experience with; especially things that I'm publicly saying don't work well. Furthermore, you have zero basis on which to make this statement, other than emotions.

> The point, in case you completely missed it, is to empathise with the average user. Not me, I’m able to resolve the issues that arise in Linux land (or know when to stop), the average user can very quickly drown.

And you still haven't given a single freaking example. As I stated, I worked with extensive piles of commodity consumer hardware and have NEVER EVER HAD to compile a kernel module in the past 10-15 years. I haven't had to do anything that couldn't just be done in Plasma/Gnome. Go on, give an example. Any example.

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Post by jasomill »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #302
LeFantome wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If true, I think you can subscribe to LTSC today and get what you want.

Much easier said than done. (I can make a plausible case as an IoT manufacturer, so went that route.)

The $432/user/year Microsoft 365 E3 subscription[1] covers Windows Enterprise LTSC, has no minimum order quantity, and can be purchased online directly from Microsoft without a volume licensing agreement (by clicking "Try free for one month" on the linked page).

Source: my own "enterprise" has two users, a single Microsoft 365 E3 subscription, and no volume licensing agreement.

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/enterprise/e3

(the "Full Comparison" PDF linked from this page confirms that LTSC is included in this subscription)

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by CamperBob2 »

jasomill wrote: post #337
CamperBob2 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much easier said than done. (I can make a plausible case as an IoT manufacturer, so went that route.)

The $432/user/year Microsoft 365 E3 subscription[1] covers Windows Enterprise LTSC, has no minimum order quantity, and can be purchased online directly from Microsoft without a volume licensing agreement (by clicking "Try free for one month" on the linked page). Source: my own "enterprise" has two users, a single Microsoft 365 E3 subscription, and no volume licensing agreement. [1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/mic…

Interesting, that appears to be brand new (as of December, anyway), and they certainly aren't advertising it widely. Could be worthwhile if you don't mind subscribing to your OS and losing access if anything ever happens to the account.

I wonder if what it really means is that LTSC 11 is now enshittified.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

Macha wrote: post #105
louthy wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just isn’t important. The point is that the average non-techy person would be overwhelmed by the average Linux install. Regardless of distro. That’s Linux’s biggest cross to bear

They would also be overwhelmed by the average Windows install if they had to perform it themselves. However, these days you can get laptops with Linux preinstalled, even from mainstream OEMs like Dell or HP.

Usually limited to a couple options though, and a hefty pricetag.

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Post by runjake »

dijit wrote: post #40
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

With the risk of linking to 4chan; there is a /g/ guide to how to navigate Windows and it recommends exactly this.[0] However: I do not publicly endorse software piracy, and so do not recommend using this guide; legitimate LTSC licenses are only possible to come by for Businesses with a minimum spend of 5 licenses.[1] :( [0]: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/98121318 [1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…

FWIW, the 4chan stuff covers W10 LTSC. As far as I know there isn’t a W11 LTSC yet. Then again, if you’re reading an article about XP you probably don’t care.
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