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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Exactly. They don’t make (as much) money off of individuals buying licenses, the real dough is in bulk business licensing. And businesses want to do that in part because of the unparalleled software accessibility. The more people that use Windows, pirated or not, the more demand there is for Windows software, which locks enterprise customers in.

True. Also, people using pirated Windows make anyway a critical mass where legit users can find someone to ask for help. Microsoft doesn't care about piracy as long as regular users know more people that would help them with Windows than for example with Linux. If tomorrow all users of pirated Windows OS and related software would magically migrate to Linux, the monetary loss for Microsoft would be zero, but more leg…

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

I'm coming off of an entire weekend spent trying to get acceptable latency for audio recording in Linux. Just a midi controller to play a simple 3x oscillator VST with better than 250ms latency was my test case. I tried different versions of Ubuntu, Debian, different kernels, different window managers, different graphics drivers, stripping things out of the system etc. After going down the rabbit hole, I finally ripp…

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Of course I started with that. I then I noticed screen tearing in my browser (fresh install of Ubuntu 22.04). Oh ok, well maybe I've got the wrong drivers and it's eating CPU. Run all the tests to ensure I have the right Nvidia drivers. All checks out. Then I find something about hybrid graphics mode. Sure enough, I needed to set my graphics to discreet mode in the BIOS. Screen tearing is now gone. Well now that I'm…

that description is a far cry from your original claim that it took you that much effort to get _audio_ working under linux with low latency.

It's the summarized off the top of my head version. It literally took all day Saturday and all day Sunday.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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> I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. I have to wonder what hardware and distros you're using, as the most dominant vendors (Intel, Realtek) work out of the box on the major distros. Or are you recalling experiences from 15 years ago with ndiswrapper and older Broadcom devices still?…

Things broken in Debian 12 Linux with the Framework 13 AMD laptop: amdgpu i2c bluetooth autosuspend wifi connectivity issues resume after suspend sometimes crashing usbc-pd sometimes not charging There are so many warnings in journalctl / dmesg, since getting the laptop one month ago, I'm nonstop searching for solutions. The only reason I'm doing this is to learn the inner workings of the current state of how things…

Windows installation on the same laptop is not plain sailing either: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Windows+11+Installation+on+t...

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Whenever I read stuff like this it always sounds made up. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve installed Linux and I’ve literally never had these issues.

> still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup It reads like the prototypical "I tried Linux a decade ago and keep repeating the experience as if it represents reality today". Hell, 10 years ago was when I met my ex and I can't remember any time during that period that I actually "struggled" with anything other than Nvidia+Wayland before I stopped giving Nvidia money. "finding drivers"?…

Great anecdote, thanks for sharing.

But the next time you decide to be a patronising asshole to someone you’ve never met and who very likely has significantly more experience than you, maybe remember this meme [1]

Because it describes you completely.

The point, in case you completely missed it, is to empathise with the average user. Not me, I’m able to resolve the issues that arise in Linux land (or know when to stop), the average user can very quickly drown.

[1] https://media.tenor.com/QIvah8HkvzgAAAAM/the-point-over-your...

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Making a serious point and witholding important information is an oxymoron

Have you thought of joining a Linux support forum from the 90s? You'd fit in really well.

Unlike the other commenter, you make personal attacks here and yet you are too convinced about your high ground.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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> still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup It reads like the prototypical "I tried Linux a decade ago and keep repeating the experience as if it represents reality today". Hell, 10 years ago was when I met my ex and I can't remember any time during that period that I actually "struggled" with anything other than Nvidia+Wayland before I stopped giving Nvidia money. "finding drivers"?…

Great anecdote, thanks for sharing. But the next time you decide to be a patronising asshole to someone you’ve never met and who very likely has significantly more experience than you, maybe remember this meme [1] Because it describes you completely. The point, in case you completely missed it, is to empathise with the average user. Not me, I’m able to resolve the issues that arise in Linux land (or know when to stop…

The average user can't fix things on Windows, too.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Have you thought of joining a Linux support forum from the 90s? You'd fit in really well.

Unlike the other commenter, you make personal attacks here and yet you are too convinced about your high ground.

> "Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal"

He literally tried to imply incompetence. That is a personal attack. When the entire point of this thread was to empathise with non-techy people installing and setting up a Linux distro. It's not about me, I'm able to resolve issues that come up with the myriad operating-systems I've used in the four decades of using and programming computers.

Instead this commenter got into one of those "my operating system is better than your operating system" childish positions and trying to question my competence rather than deal with the point.

Really, I was trying to state that Linux (all distros) still have some ways to go before the average human would be comfortable with it - especially once you fall off the happy path. The things that make Linux strong for the power user (myriad choices for everything, open-source, CLI driven) are not at all what normal humans want - they don't want a million options, they don't want to run scripts, they couldn't care less about the open-sourciness (other than it's free), etc. The motivations and incentives are different.

And for sure, Windows and OSX have their own problems, but mostly you stay on the happy path because they always have the drivers made for them, which means it's rare that a device or something doesn't work. And if something does go wrong then there's usually either the vendor (who sold them the device) or a single place on the internet to go to find out how to resolve.

This whole thread from my original comment down shows exactly how far away from the average user the Linux community still is. The default answer when someone has problems is "well, stop being so shit, be better - it's your fault". Or, "I've never had that issue, you're an idiot".

Of course those are sweeping generalisations, and I've made the point elsewhere that the Linux community has made great strides - but if we're ever going to have the year of the Linux desktop (I mean real Windows-denting momentum, not just the odd Linux laptop) then more needs to be done, and some of the shitty attitudes need to change.

Sent from my Linux Distro.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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I'm coming off of an entire weekend spent trying to get acceptable latency for audio recording in Linux. Just a midi controller to play a simple 3x oscillator VST with better than 250ms latency was my test case. I tried different versions of Ubuntu, Debian, different kernels, different window managers, different graphics drivers, stripping things out of the system etc. After going down the rabbit hole, I finally ripp…

> trying to get acceptable latency for audio recording > In Windows or MacOS I would have been up and running immediately. I watched a couple of videos yesterday by musicians using Ableton on their new Apple M3 Max laptops with latest MacOS, talking about how it was dropping audio frames audibly during live performances I don't think it's safe to assume MacOS would reliably solve your audio latency problem. You may h…

For a single basic VST? Yes it would. I'm not talking about full projects. I'm familiar with the things you need to tweak to get optimum performance, but Windows and MacOS can handle 1 instrument out of the box. Almost 500ms latency in 2024 without poking around is absurd.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Unlike the other commenter, you make personal attacks here and yet you are too convinced about your high ground.

> "Seems like an excuse to hide what you did and claim your problems to be universal" He literally tried to imply incompetence. That is a personal attack. When the entire point of this thread was to empathise with non-techy people installing and setting up a Linux distro. It's not about me, I'm able to resolve issues that come up with the myriad operating-systems I've used in the four decades of using and programming…

Well, I was talking about last two comments of yours. You did have a point ellsewhere.

> Really, I was trying to state that Linux (all distros) still have some ways to go before the average human would be comfortable with it - especially once you fall off the happy path.

This is just not true. Average humans buy preinstalled. If it's preinstalled, it doesn't matter whether it's Windows or Linux.

Sent from my Librem 5.

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