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They have their own showrooms in the cities.
So they are following Tesla’s direct model?
Yes.
BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
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>>Well you‘re making the error of assuming that charging the PHEV before a trip is required No, I'm literally going off what the manufacturer said - 1000km range when the battery charge and fuel tank are combined. That's it. People keep making comparisons for shorter trips, for driving with an empty battery, for driving on battery range only etc etc etc - all of it misses the point I'm making. >>I doubt many people d…
> That's it. We can’t compare the full 1k to 1k km yet because EPA ratings aren’t out - the BYD might as well make 100km more than the Volvo with 75L. > If they don't, then why buy a PHEV at all? Subsidies + CO2 ratings (important for EU). PHEV is a green washing ploy IMO. Plugging in every day is hard enough as it is, I’ve had a fully electric Ioniq for 3 years. I don’t believe many people will do that for just 36 m…
>>We can’t compare the full 1k to 1k km yet because EPA ratings aren’t out
True
>>PHEV is a green washing ploy IMO. Plugging in every day is hard enough as it is
So I disagree in the sense that they do work absolutely amazing if your usecase works for what they offer. Our Volvo does 20-30 miles in EV mode, but that covers my driving needs every day, and we have a charging point outside of the house, so plugging it in every day is literally not a problem. In consequence this car just doesn't use any fuel - I drive it every day but fill it up maybe once every 3 months. In fact the main argument for buying it was how much it was going to save us every month on fuel compared to our last car - which turned out true, the savings more than offset the larger finance cost of buying it.
But on the other hand, I know someone who owns one living in an apartment in a big city, without any good way to charge it - in that case it's an idiotic thing to own, he's basically lugging around 400kg battery pack, ruining his economy, for no reason at all.
>>but with an PHEV it’s perfectly fine to skip that - and people do.
Maybe some do - I wouldn't stop at a hotel without charging point, because even though the range is only 20-30 miles in EV mode it makes a really big impact on overal economy.
Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
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As much as I'd love to believe that a better leader would make an American company fully keep pace with BYD, I don't see any evidence that this is the case. I really doubt BYD would be doing any better on worker treatment and unionization. And besides, BYD did that by selling a lot of very cheap vehicles. I don't think that really fits the business objectives for Tesla.
IIRC the strategy of Tesla was to start building very expensive EVs (Roadster, then Model S and X) to fund the build of cheaper options (Model 3 and Y), and the final target would be a mass market car affordable by everyone, maybe in the $20-25K range.
Yes, exactly. BYD can go below that, to vehicles that wouldn't really be marketable outside of China.
Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
#234Fun fact: The original VW beetle could do this for half an hour or so [1]. There was a (1960s?) article in "Modern Motor", whereby someone tested it and found that there was at least some control, as the tyres provided enough paddle action to move forward and the front wheels acted as rudders. Their floating inspired some to modify beetles to really make them amphibious [2,3]. Even if it officially floats, I wouldn't…
That is just cool, thanks for sharing.
Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
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Yes, this is not environmentally friendly
What activities with SUVs are environmentally friendly? Keeping to a trail seems ok, everything else like fording rivers, travelling in groups, going off trails invite criticism.
Yes. Those things are illegal because they tear up the land unnecessarily.
The roads are maintained, they're packed, they're graded, they're specially designated places for us to travel so we don't tear up the whole earth. We pay taxes to do so. I'm not asking to drive on a road I don't pay for. We've all banded together in soceity to build this infrastructure for our shared use.
It's like the path in your yard. Wouldn't you expect people to walk on the sidewalk to your front porch and not walk all over the yard?
Why is this a foreign concept?
Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h
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Your logic is still... lacking. I don't say it lightly but it might be the worst case of obtuseness I've seen in many years of HN. You mix and match units when calculating a ratio of efficiency and it gets you meaningless conclusions. By your "logic" a Tesla M3, a leader in electric efficiency, is the worst of the bunch. It needs ~100kWh of electricity to drive the same 1000km distance. And ICE cars can do that trip…
Ignore the whole Volvo Vs BYD bit for a second. Car A: needs 75 litres + 10kWh of electricity to cover 1000km Car B: needs 75 litres + 50kWh of electricity to cover 1000km. Even a child could point out which car is more efficient, as it needs less energy to travel the same distance. Am I wrong about this? If yes, please tell me how, I'm genuinely listening. >>It makes no sense other than for you to feel good about yo…
Let's draw a more complete picture with "car XC60 diesel" which needs 65 litres to cover 1000km. It's maybe 20% more efficient and 20% cheaper than car A, and with even cheaper fuel. Yet you picked your less efficient, more costly XC60 PHEV because...
> in my use case I'm within the EV only range nearly every day
Aha! Progress! EV only range didn't matter to you until just now despite my mentions, probably because your car has a meager 30km peak range while the U8 can do ~200km. So the U8 is for people who want an EV that's good for any daily commute (even with A/C or heating), with the engine for road or off-road trips. I guarantee you nobody sees these 2 cars competing in any segment.
> It doesn't, but I don't see any point in explaining to you how my own car works
Luckily you don't need to, we live in the information age. You said 10kWh battery, Volvo says it's good for ~30km in ideal conditions.
My friend, your car was the peak of compliance cars, built only to fetch the EV subsidy, with the tiniest of batteries in that segment, and less EV range than you're implying. You insist on combining it with the tank of gas so it looks marginally more efficient than the Chinese luxury tank. But almost nobody cares about that combo. People care about EV range or gas economy. Your car is a bad at both, with the comically short EV range and an inefficient gas engine pulling 2.5t. Why bother trying to make it look better by some skewed metric nobody cares about?