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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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I'm old enough to remember when people were skeptical of Windows XP. High resource usage, compatibility problems and the childish look & feel were among the criticisms. There were calls to not upgrade, and to stick to Windows 98.

How it despite all that criticism it has become a cult classic is beyond me.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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In my experience, Windows isn't any better. With both OS you eventually have problems and if you are willing to solve them you can put a lot of time and effort into doing so. The only difference is the openness of the system. With Linux, you can easily go much deeper (for many reasons: community, available source code, multiple implementations for different system components, custom kernels). But don't get me wrong:…

Yeah I definitely hear you. For me, the tinkering was just in application settings, never the actual Windows OS settings or configuration. Out of the box, worked good enough. After getting into a full project and trying to monitor and record multi channels, etc, then yeah, there is some deep diving to be done.

Look the Audio stack on linux is broken but, and I am an audio engineer by study and trade, windows has it's own collection of hell when it comes to audio.

"Just use asio"? Had a borked driver cause blue screens on bootup for a piece of hardware, talking 5 digit price tag hardware... Same driver randomly doesn't present an Asio device.

Want to stick to "windows default audio engines" well, wasapi is what you should use now right? KS has the best latency ( wasapi should be calling that under the hood ), how about the other 3 options?

When it "just works" it's great. When it doesn't you cannot "dig in and find you need to go directly to ALSA(the KS alternative for linux)" because the driver you have loaded may not even present a KS interface, if your DAW even allows you to use something which isn't ASIO...

I have my faie share of pain with audio on windows, I wouldn't trade that pain for audio on linux granted but honestly, never had a single issue on macOS...

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

> why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux

A PC with Windows 10 LTSC beats PS5/Xbox in terms in game availability and backwards compatibility. It also unsurprisingly still beats Linux + Proton in terms of compability. It is still Windows after all. Console gaming is not comparable to PC gaming at this point.

Using LTSC over regular W10 affords you a more stable system since you forgo any feature updates from Microsoft (only security updates), a more lightweight and snappier system with less background services running at startup, and reduced (but still present) telemetry.

Also, I unironically like the Windows UX over the Linux compositors and countless Desktop Environments that endlessly run into compatability issues and weird bugs. W10 LTSC is comparatively far more stable.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

> "all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux" You mean, are present in Linux TODAY . Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. Windows XP marked the begin of an era when corporations replaced analog processes with digital. It sounds so foreign now, but in the late 90s - it was still common for corporations to send printe…

Nope, easy Linux installers were common around 2000. RH, Caldera, Lindows, etc.

XP wasn’t especially easier to install if you had to partition. It was simply easier because Dell, et al had already installed it.

I installed frequently, even had quad boot with OS/2 at one point.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#235

I really like this concept. I see a lot of negativity in the comments over the “Fisher Price” UI, but honestly, this seems much more familiar and easier to navigate than what Windows has become to the average user. This is something that I can see my parents or less technically-inclined siblings or friends breathing a sigh of relief to use. Simple, colorful, easy workflows. It’s why the iPad has a cult following amon…

I don’t recall XP actually being all that easy to use. It had bright colors, but the menus could get a bit maze-like. IMO XP was familiar more than it was simple to use. iOS is legitimately easy to use.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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post #160

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint. By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar. Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very…

That's true, windows ME was as terrible as Windows 2000 was great.

The story goes that they wanted to launch with Windows 2000 Home just like they did with XP, but ran into some issues and decided at the last minute to ship a pimped up version of Windows 98. That was absolutely terrible.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux. I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all. I've never had…

Sure, Windows has no issues. It's why no one actually works supporting Windows. I seriously doubt you've ever even seen a large scale Windows deployment and spend all your time on your "creative software". Is that Powerpoint by any chance?

I've worked with and managed global Windows deployments. I've built domains and AD environments from the ground up and have worked on workgroup->domain migrations and everything that goes along with that. But I'm not here to measure dicks.

Creative software being Audacity, Fruityloops, ProTools, Logic, Reaper, various tracker, etc for sound engineering/recording and the Adobe suite for photography and graphics. Ie, my hobbies. I've never had to fiddle with drivers with any of these, just software settings, which is to be expected.

My point is that installing Windows applications, even at scale, generally does not require poking or reconfiguring the OS itself.

Not sure why you're being rude.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

With the risk of linking to 4chan; there is a /g/ guide to how to navigate Windows and it recommends exactly this.[0] However: I do not publicly endorse software piracy, and so do not recommend using this guide; legitimate LTSC licenses are only possible to come by for Businesses with a minimum spend of 5 licenses.[1] :( [0]: https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/98121318 [1]: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/…

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Yeah I definitely hear you. For me, the tinkering was just in application settings, never the actual Windows OS settings or configuration. Out of the box, worked good enough. After getting into a full project and trying to monitor and record multi channels, etc, then yeah, there is some deep diving to be done.

Look the Audio stack on linux is broken but, and I am an audio engineer by study and trade, windows has it's own collection of hell when it comes to audio. "Just use asio"? Had a borked driver cause blue screens on bootup for a piece of hardware, talking 5 digit price tag hardware... Same driver randomly doesn't present an Asio device. Want to stick to "windows default audio engines" well, wasapi is what you should u…

I hear ya. ASIO4all and never looked back. Have had good luck with that for many years now.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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"extending" to devices sold in 2018? That's not impressive, it's pathetic. It's an environmental crime really.

To clarify, that’s just for the newest macOS. Apple does security updates for older versions for several more years beyond that. I personally have a couple decade+ old Macs that continue to work fine. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

To clarify, those security updates are only partial:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-secu...

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