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Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by akira2501 »

sircastor wrote: post #6

One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to. There are carrots like a fancy new feature, or sticks like “we’re not supporting this anymore, so if you want your computer to be secure you need to upgrade.” A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it…

> make the new version of the OS appealing enough

The OS does not have "appeal." It either works and facilitates my use of my own hardware or it does not.

The only reason to think this way is because you want to turn your paying customers PCs into advertising machines that violate their privacy and turn their hardware against them. There's not amount of "appeal" you can cram into your product that will get me to work against my own interests.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by dijit »

bongodongobob wrote: post #99
Almondsetat wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

But that's like, part of the issue. "Oh, you just used the wrong Linux . You really should use X with Y blah blah..." There is no "wrong Windows". Ubuntu desktop might be the closest to just works, but I'm getting more and more averse to its quirks and will likely find myself back on Debian soon. That's just part of Linux's charm I guess.

Oh, there is “wrong” windows: aside from the fact you usually dont install it yourself so your edition is chosen.

For example Server versions are rarely what you want, or business versions, or IoT versions

“Why do I require an online account” (pro? business? enterprise?), “why does this game not work (windows media player being unavailable means certain videos in game engines like Unreal can never play ;))”, “why cant I keep using Windows 7? the new one has a weird taskbar and hid stuff again!”

I get that theres fewer choice and its made for you, but if it hadn't been made for you its actually much more difficult to get it right as a non-tech

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by DANmode »

tsss wrote: post #133
DANmode wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> when it comes to everything “just working”, it’s hard to beat. You've never had updates bork your Windows machine, its drivers etc a few hours before an important meeting, I see!

No, but I've had at least ten counts of apt gimping itself somehow during an update. Who here isn't intimately familiar with > Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock

I've had over ten of each.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Levitz »

airstrike wrote: post #15

I don't know, this feels like the worst parts of Windows XP (Fisher Price UI), with an annoying setup workflow, and a Microsoft account tie in... not exactly what I'd like to have today

I'll take the consistency of a "Fisher Price UI" over the absolute current horror any day.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by CharlesW »

1over137 wrote: post #50
sircastor wrote: post #6

One of the biggest challenges modern OS developers face (Apple and Microsoft namely) is how to make the new version of the OS appealing enough for users to move to. There are carrots like a fancy new feature, or sticks like “we’re not supporting this anymore, so if you want your computer to be secure you need to upgrade.” A lot of people don’t care about the carrots though. Their computer does everything they need it…

For Apple at least, why should it care if its users upgrade their OS? They don't even charge money for the OS (anymore).

They seem to care, with official macOS Sonoma support extending to devices sold in 2018.

I suspect that high on the list of reasons is "services". According to https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101212/services-revenue..., Q4'23 services revenue accounted for almost 25 percent of the total.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by SteveNuts »

Nextgrid wrote: post #61
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

I recently had the pleasure of migrating a legacy server 2008 app to a brand new server 2022 box. One of the requirements is a local smtp server for sending mail so I looked up how to do this in windows.

To my shock and horror, smtp service has been deprecated since server 2012, you can still install it but it comes with an extremely old version of IIS as a dependency and it’s broken out of the box.

To get it working you have to dig into some xml files and add parameters.

I really wonder how anyone can take a server OS seriously that doesn’t have out of the box first class functionality for smtp, one of the most ubiquitous protocols on the internet.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

hypercube33 wrote: post #125
ponorin wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried installing Windows 10 to my old ("old" as in Ryzen 2000 series) HP laptop so that I can give it out, and it took forever to install all the updates. Windows Update sucks even when you give permission to do whatever it wants; super slow, doesn't know what to prioritise, and unable to just jump to the newest release. And even then it missed some drivers, especially the fingerprint sensor, so to this day Wind…

That's not exactly fair. hp flops on its face with the software realm (drivers, firmware) and deploying windows to any is a nightmare of missing drivers. The surface is more constrained to specific hardware so I think any operating system would be easy to kick to it much like a Thinkpad.

No, it's not. There's a known bug where the Surface will not turn on/off the IR camera during the login process, resulting in either a "can't turn on camera, please enter PIN" message or worse: leaving the IR camera on after login significantly reducing its lifetime (it gets hot to the touch) and doing god knows what to your eyes.

Of course, everyone is quick to blame the manufacturer when it comes to drivers, even when the MS supposedly vets these drivers and even when the manufacturer is MS itself.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Almondsetat »

louthy wrote: post #135
Almondsetat wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have hardware that has linux support then everything should work at install time or after install. Ubuntu also has a dedicated program to show you the available proprietary drivers you might want to use. Unless you your hardware is so new that it requires the very latest kernel then you should be golden.

> If you have hardware that has linux support then everything should work at install time or after install. So, if you buy something that works, it will work, and if you buy something that doesn't work, it won't. Wow, what insight. It really does boggle the mind why people don't just buy things that work. Am I right!?!

If you have hardware that is not supported no amount of complaining or forum searching will help.

So either you just like to complain about unfixable things or you are unaware that once you discover your hardware is not supported you should stop wasting time on forums and go back to your working Windows environment

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by voidfunc »

logifail wrote: post #37
transcriptase wrote: post #22

Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. No bloat, no ads, no forced or feature updates, optional security patches only, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry.

> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point?

I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux.

I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something they're not.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

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Post by Feathercrown »

brink wrote: post #39
frabjoused wrote: post #31

Nostalgia aside, this isn’t actually better. The animations alone would be enough to drop most users after an hour.

So turn them off

Why do that when there are ready to go OS options that require no config?
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