Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

overclock3d.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

151–160 of 373 posts

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#151

Post by M95D »

Almondsetat wrote: post #81
louthy wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

It's always interesting to see people complain about linux installation without mentioning the distro chosen and what they did.

As if there's more than one: gnu.

Yeah, there's more than one if you count Gentoo, OpenWrt and Linux from scratch.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#152

Post by squarefoot »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #126
haunter wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally on archive.org, just download the ISO and you can activate it with MAS MS doesn't care about piracy at all. They'd rather let you pirate it than losing you by switching to Linux or Mac

Exactly. They don’t make (as much) money off of individuals buying licenses, the real dough is in bulk business licensing. And businesses want to do that in part because of the unparalleled software accessibility. The more people that use Windows, pirated or not, the more demand there is for Windows software, which locks enterprise customers in.

True. Also, people using pirated Windows make anyway a critical mass where legit users can find someone to ask for help. Microsoft doesn't care about piracy as long as regular users know more people that would help them with Windows than for example with Linux. If tomorrow all users of pirated Windows OS and related software would magically migrate to Linux, the monetary loss for Microsoft would be zero, but more legit users might be incentivized to switch away from it because of the sudden raise in Linux knowledge around them. I'm sure Microsoft would be absolutely terrified by such scenario. And then there's user profiling and advertising, which works also on pirated copies, but that's another story.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#153

Post by bluedays »

louthy wrote: post #55
tiffanyh wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux" You mean, are present in Linux TODAY . Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. Windows XP marked the begin of an era when corporations replaced analog processes with digital. It sounds so foreign now, but in the late 90s - it was still common for corporations to send printe…

> Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. That’s still the case with Linux now. I did two recent Linux installs (different distros) and it’s still a nightmare of finding drivers, scripts, etc. to get everything setup. On one of my devices it still doesn’t recognise all the USB ports attached to the motherboard (but does recognise some), I just g…

Whenever I read stuff like this it always sounds made up. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve installed Linux and I’ve literally never had these issues.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#154

Post by charlieyu1 »

voidfunc wrote: post #149
logifail wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft actually makes the version of Windows that people want, but it’s called LTSC and they really don’t want you to have it. Of the devices that still run Windows in our home, all but one of them run some version of LTSC. > No bloat, no ads, no forced updates, virtually nothing installed by default, and minimal telemetry. No Store, no Cortana, no Edge. What's not to like? ;)

Why run Windows at that point? I'm a hybrid person. I run Linux for my work and dev OS and Windows for gaming and day to day shenanigans. If you're just going to strip Windows down to this weird broken minimal thing tho why not just use Linux full time and get a PS5/Xbox for the AAA games you can't run under Linux. I dont really get the point of the effort people go through trying to make Microsoft products something…

There are still many things that could only run on Windows. That people need to use for their job. Otherwise I can see a lot more people switching to Linux.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#155

Post by ZFH »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #71
Nextgrid wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LTSC cuts down on the user-hostility but the quality of the OS is still terrible - it doesn't fix features that have intentionally been broken/removed/replaced by a half-assed knockoff. You still have the terrible/broken start menu search, useless mobile-themed control panel (which often doesn't have what you want so you end up falling back to the real control panel anyway), etc.

Not to mention that everything that depends on an MS account (like the Store) is broken, and these days even adding a second keyboard layout post-installation requires "downloading features from the store".

You're better off without the Store, but in rare event that it's actually needed for something there are scripts on GitHub to add it back in.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#157

Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

louthy wrote: post #117
Macha wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would also be overwhelmed by the average Windows install if they had to perform it themselves. However, these days you can get laptops with Linux preinstalled, even from mainstream OEMs like Dell or HP.

I dunno, installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever. Pre-installed Linux laptops is great - and is clearly the way to get someone less techy on-the-way . But, for most, if they're sick of Windows and they want to move (dual boot their machine) then god help them. Linux is much better than it was, for…

> installing Windows from scratch is still pretty slick. You don't normally end up having to do extra work to get basic things like Bluetooth working, or whatever.

Did it... get a lot better recently? Last time I installed Windows on a laptop I had "fun" getting it the drivers so it could use the Wi-Fi card so it could pull the rest of itself down.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#158

Post by bongodongobob »

dijit wrote: post #142
bongodongobob wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's like, part of the issue. "Oh, you just used the wrong Linux . You really should use X with Y blah blah..." There is no "wrong Windows". Ubuntu desktop might be the closest to just works, but I'm getting more and more averse to its quirks and will likely find myself back on Debian soon. That's just part of Linux's charm I guess.

Oh, there is “wrong” windows: aside from the fact you usually dont install it yourself so your edition is chosen. For example Server versions are rarely what you want, or business versions, or IoT versions “Why do I require an online account” (pro? business? enterprise?), “why does this game not work (windows media player being unavailable means certain videos in game engines like Unreal can never play ;))”, “why can…

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about and I don't share the same experience. I have 20+ years of experience with Windows and Linux.

I've installed Windows 7-11 on entire fleets. I've run multiple corporate-wide Windows upgrade projects for multiple companies and environments. I've built gold images and templates for Citrix and VDI environments. There really is no hardware configuration needed at all.

I've never had any problems running games or any software in Windows due to drivers or configuration issues. In fact, I run all my creative software specifically in Windows because there's nothing to think about at all.

The only time I've had any kind of hardware or driver issues is with external hardware like testing apparatuses or machinery. I haven't had to mess with drivers in Windows in probably 10 years or more.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#159

Post by wvenable »

tiffanyh wrote: post #19
swells34 wrote: post #4

Ya know, I've never had a Linux box that had any of the problems listed about modern windows. Also all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux... But I've never paid Microsoft for an OS that showed me ads against my will in my Start Menu, so maybe I just don't know what I'm missing.

> "all the advantages listed about Windows XP are also present in Linux" You mean, are present in Linux TODAY . Installing Linux 22-years ago, when XP shipped, was hugely painful and only the most technical would attempt it. Windows XP marked the begin of an era when corporations replaced analog processes with digital. It sounds so foreign now, but in the late 90s - it was still common for corporations to send printe…

I remember installing Linux around that time and getting p0wned immediately upon connecting it to the Internet.

Re: Windows XP 2024 Edition is everything I want from a new OS

#160

Post by dagmx »

exabrial wrote: post #127

I don't understand why people like XP so much. Windows 2000 was the ultimate OS: lean, fast, focused, and absolutely zero crapware installed. No stupid internet accounts needed to run your local OS and it did what it was supposed to do.

XP was likely the first memorable intro to windows for many developers in the home context. It was designed to be appealing to look at and a fresh coat of paint.

By comparison, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-enthusiast who really remembers the differences between 95/98/ME/2000 because they largely looked similar.

Unlike 2000, it was also aimed at home use. The prior home use system was ME which was also not very well received at the time. XP unified the business and home segments.

Add to that, the immense PR failure that was Vista, and a very long life for XP, it’s not surprising that it has the most fondness in people’s psyche.

Post reply on HN