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Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by robertlagrant »

dylan604 wrote: post #147
wizardwes wrote: post #108

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"All X are Y, and their denial proves it" seems a very poor argument to me. By its very nature you can't really disprove it.

A kid arguing they are not a kid is a very kid like thing to do is my point. Kids always want to convince people they are not a kid. I'm not 3, I'm 3 1/2. I'm not a kid, I'm 22. Jokingly, when you start trying to convince people you are younger is when you're probably old enough to be considered an adult.

If you told an 80 year old they're a kid they would also tell you they aren't. There is no proof by irony.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by matrss »

robertlagrant wrote: post #260
matrss wrote: post #85

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> I'm not sure that's true - experience counts in those industries. I speak as a former 18-year-old coffee shop person. You are assuming that age equals experience, but a 19 year old might be working at the coffee shop for a year already when a 25 year old is just starting. Shouldn't the 19 year old have a higher pay then?

That's up to the shop owner. Minimum wage is a minimum, not a cap.

Sure, but why should the minimum wage be lower for younger people then, if age does not equal experience? Is there any other reason, or is it just age discrimination?

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by ta1243 »

bena wrote: post #211
plasmatix wrote: post #144

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I think you’re misunderstanding the comic. I’ve always taken it to be exactly what you’re saying, thus the “I am very intelligent”. Because he’s not.

But it’s the “I am very intelligent” guy in every panel. The comic itself implies the first panel and final panel are the same criticism. And if you point out any hypocrisy in a person’s action, someone will trot this out as if we can never call out people for contributing to a problem they are complaining about even if contributing is completely optional.

Your option for a phone is either google or apple. A phone is an essential part of life.

No matter which phone is chosen you can call someone a hypocrite for thinking that both google and apple ceos are overpaid. The illusion of a free market is no defence.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by robertlagrant »

matrss wrote: post #262
robertlagrant wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's up to the shop owner. Minimum wage is a minimum, not a cap.

Sure, but why should the minimum wage be lower for younger people then, if age does not equal experience? Is there any other reason, or is it just age discrimination?

As I say, it's probably more complaining for higher wages for people who are likely to have higher expenses, than lower wages for younger people.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by matrss »

robertlagrant wrote: post #264
matrss wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but why should the minimum wage be lower for younger people then, if age does not equal experience? Is there any other reason, or is it just age discrimination?

As I say, it's probably more complaining for higher wages for people who are likely to have higher expenses, than lower wages for younger people.

Why should someone older inherently have higher expenses? Cost of living is much more dependent on the location than on age. It might be a result of lobbying from this direction, but it makes no sense and is still age discrimination.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #233
EnigmaFlare wrote: post #136

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That's just political campaigning, isn't it? How is that "subverting" or "bad actors"?

Because the rule of law democratic processes are being tossed aside to accommodate said bad actors hence the apt moniker.

I didn't pick that up from the referenced page. This work was illegal?

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by robertlagrant »

matrss wrote: post #265
robertlagrant wrote: post #264

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As I say, it's probably more complaining for higher wages for people who are likely to have higher expenses, than lower wages for younger people.

Why should someone older inherently have higher expenses? Cost of living is much more dependent on the location than on age. It might be a result of lobbying from this direction, but it makes no sense and is still age discrimination.

I didn't say inherently. E.g. if you draw a graph of what age people have kids it's going to show you that the older you are, up to a point, the more likely you are to have kids. Kids are a massive expense, up to and including dictating where you live and how big it is. That's not inherent, hence why it's silly to invent that straw man, but it is a trend.

As for age discrimination: is only letting people vote at a certain age, age discrimination?

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by matrss »

robertlagrant wrote: post #267
matrss wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should someone older inherently have higher expenses? Cost of living is much more dependent on the location than on age. It might be a result of lobbying from this direction, but it makes no sense and is still age discrimination.

I didn't say inherently. E.g. if you draw a graph of what age people have kids it's going to show you that the older you are, up to a point, the more likely you are to have kids. Kids are a massive expense, up to and including dictating where you live and how big it is. That's not inherent, hence why it's silly to invent that straw man, but it is a trend. As for age discrimination: is only letting people vote at a ce…

> Kids are a massive expense

That's why someone's financial situation should be considered before deciding to have kids. It is a conscious decision that is actively taken and therefore no reason to put younger people at a disadvantage.

> As for age discrimination: is only letting people vote at a certain age, age discrimination?

Yes, that is age discrimination. It is usually accepted, because there is an argument for it: in the public's view you should be mature enough to understand the importance of elections and inform yourself before you can vote. That maturity certainly depends on age to some degree. Nevertheless, since it is still age discrimination, the specific age is often debated and here in germany it was reduced multiple times in the past, for different elections. I have even seen arguments that said kids should have a sort of "proxy" vote through their parents, by deciding who to vote for together.

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by smegger001 »

htss2013 wrote: post #231
NegativeLatency wrote: post #78

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There's rich people, and then there's the ultra rich people. It just doesn't seem possible to become a billionaire through ethical means.

Why can't you be a millionaire who becomes a billionare through compound interest? If university endowments can do it so can individuals.

Several reasons firstly Universities arent mortal individuals that live a 80 to at most 110 years, these are institutions that many of which predate the countries they are in.

Secondly they are receiving endowments from many individuals and organizations on top of tuitions and cuts off the top of grants researcher working there receive.

Thirdly they arent just getting simple compound intrest from money setting in a savings account instead they run private equity funds and hedge funds, which are themselves morally suspect

Re: Minimum Wage Clock

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Post by robertlagrant »

matrss wrote: post #268
robertlagrant wrote: post #267

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I didn't say inherently. E.g. if you draw a graph of what age people have kids it's going to show you that the older you are, up to a point, the more likely you are to have kids. Kids are a massive expense, up to and including dictating where you live and how big it is. That's not inherent, hence why it's silly to invent that straw man, but it is a trend. As for age discrimination: is only letting people vote at a ce…

> Kids are a massive expense That's why someone's financial situation should be considered before deciding to have kids. It is a conscious decision that is actively taken and therefore no reason to put younger people at a disadvantage. > As for age discrimination: is only letting people vote at a certain age, age discrimination? Yes, that is age discrimination. It is usually accepted, because there is an argument for…

> That's why someone's financial situation should be considered before deciding to have kids. It is a conscious decision that is actively taken and therefore no reason to put younger people at a disadvantage.

That is a good ideal world principle, but given minimum wage itself is a non-idealised concept, instead designed to ameliorate real life, I don't know how much it apples.

> Yes, that is age discrimination

If you're just defining age discrimination as "a legal differentiation based on age" then I agree with you. That is tautologically true. A bit like not letting 7-year-olds drive on public roads.

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