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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by gambiting » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:01 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #21

gambiting wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does any of this have to do with Norway?

It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up. What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun) this story to you? If you look at any corporate fights, such as such-n-such [country|city|business] is at odds with [company|c…

>>It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up.

It did no such thing for me, sorry. Frankly I found it difficult to even establish what your point is in the first place.

>>What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun) this story to you?

It asks a very simple question - how are your points related to Norway, given that the subject matter are driving schools in Norway.

>>Its always corruption

Can you explain how corruption lead to Tesla removing the indicator stalk?

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by elicksaur » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:02 PM UTC

Am I misreading the article or is the headline sensationalist?

Summary: Seems like 1 driving instructor decided not to buy a new Tesla for his school. He posted in a group of driving instructors and many agreed.

I guess the headline is technically correct, but it kind of reads like a government ‘banned’ the vehicles.

Also not sure about the logic of the driving instructors. Shouldn’t a difficult to use car that is quite common be a good candidate for a driving school vehicle? Kids whose families have Teslas will pass their driving exam on a car they will never use, then go drive their parent’s Tesla at a lower level of ability in the real world.

Sure, you have to pick one car for any given person to pass a test on, but this whole article seems overblown, and I’m never buying a Tesla as a starting bias.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by barbazoo » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

hbn wrote: post #26

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is freq…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1lZ9n2bxWA

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by gambiting » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:03 PM UTC

kuon wrote: post #39

hbn wrote: post #26

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is freq…

I think here (europe) the turn signal must be orange and separate from the brakes. But you still see some imported american cars from time to time.

Those cars should be modified to have separate brake/turn lights before being registered in Europe, if that didn't happen then it wasn't done fully legally(I know, I actually have a US-imported car, it had to have the rear lights cluster modified before registration book could be issued).

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by bborud » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:05 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Weird. If these turn signals are hard to use, that's an argument for teaching them in driving school.

If they are not standardized and widely used, it isn't really all that useful to introduce yet another bit of complexity to what is usually going to be an already stressful activity (driving a car in traffic with very little experience).

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by funmi » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:05 PM UTC

ivmaykov wrote: post #14

funmi wrote: post #7

I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

If your wheel is turned because you are in a curve, your “right turn” button will be on top or maybe even on the left of the wheel, depending on how sharp the curve is. This can be disorienting and cause you to look away from the road and at your wheel to figure out where it is. The turn signal stalk is always in the same place regardless of your wheel turn angle because it attaches to the steering wheel column rathe…

Ok, this helped me visualize the issue (as did several of the other replies here). Thanks for taking the time

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by barbazoo » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:05 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #36

Not a problem in Canada. Everybody either doesn't use turn signals, or uses turn signals wrong in roundabouts whether they are driving a Tesla or not.

Love those people that indicate left going into a roundabout, by the time I see you I don't know where you started indicating left so I have no idea where you're going :D

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:05 PM UTC

zitterbewegung wrote: post #30

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #4

> Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving. That is some impressive levels of "we know better than you / everyone else" thinking.

Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac. You are not buying a car you are buying an appliance that happens to get you from point A to point B and provides neat new features. Unfortunately it makes it dangerous to do that…

I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pulled the trigger yet for a variety of reasons. When that conversation in my head started, Tesla was absolutely in the mix. Now? Maybe if you gave me one for free, but I'm sure not buying one.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by nicole_express » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:06 PM UTC

I mean, it seems pretty normal to have restrictions on cars for driving schools above and beyond that cars on the road. I remember I couldn't use my parents car for the driving tests, because it didn't have a center-mounted emergency brake.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by rsynnott » Wed, Jan 03, 2024, 7:07 PM UTC

zitterbewegung wrote: post #30

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #4

> Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving. That is some impressive levels of "we know better than you / everyone else" thinking.

Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac. You are not buying a car you are buying an appliance that happens to get you from point A to point B and provides neat new features. Unfortunately it makes it dangerous to do that…

Specifically, it's like buying the very first Mac, whose keyboard didn't have function or arrow keys, because Jobs believed people would use the mouse for that sort of thing.

This was, obviously, swiftly changed, and Macs soon had sensible keyboards. I'd be somewhat less certain that Teslas will soon have sensible controls.