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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by samstave »

gambiting wrote: post #6
samstave wrote: post #2

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What does any of this have to do with Norway?

It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up.

What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun) this story to you?

If you look at any corporate fights, such as such-n-such [country|city|business] is at odds with [company|contract provider] - typically you can find secret incentives, contracts desires...

Forensic Financial Sentiment Analysis (Why the _fuck_ is X doing Y in Z deal) ((AH... it benefits ABC deals/business incentives/political pockets)

Its always corruption - regardless of your personal threshold for what that definition of coruption is

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by rjmunro »

funmi wrote: post #7

I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

Because on a roundabout you have to activate the turn signal while turning the other way. If the turn signal is on the steering wheel, it's going to be hard to find it and press the right way.

On a small roundabout, it's a tighter turn. You might need to keep the wheel turned more than 90°. The left and right signals will be in the wrong order, and it will be confusing to hit the right one at the right time.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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funmi wrote: post #7

I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by hbn »

Speaking of bad turn signals (though in this case for other drivers, and not the driver of the vehicle), can we make it illegal for cars to only indicate from their rear by blinking the entire brake light? I think I've heard it's a requirement in some countries for the rear indicators to use the amber light alongside the brake lights, which makes a lot of sense because making the brake light serve double duty is frequently confusing and dangerous. You have to stare at the light for a couple of seconds to confirm the light is blinking because the person is signalling, and not because they tapped their brakes and you only saw a change.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by itishappy »

funmi wrote: post #7

I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

Roundabouts require turning for an extended period of time. During the turn your hands are often required to be in a non-standard position. By attaching the turn signal to the front of the wheel, you now need to hunt for it's position and calculate it's orientation (if the wheel is upside down, the left turn signal is on the right). The stalk stays in one place so you can develop muscle memory easier.

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Post by msravi »

funmi wrote: post #7

I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

With a stick that, uh, sticks out, it's easy to trip it in the right direction with your finger as you turn without taking your hand off the wheel. My guess is that using a "force touch" button will need you to take your hand off the wheel during a turn to press the button, and possibly even figure out which button (left or right) to press. All this is speculation on my part, of course.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by throwitaway222 »

Apple used to get a lot of slack for removing things- USB-A, Headphones, CD Drive, Network Jack, etc... But in the end, many (but not all) of those things ended up being totally unnecessary - they were perhaps just a year or so ahead of their time.

That being said, making a turn signal a screen button? Unless AI can replace all of this soon, which I think is not the case (and not the case for the 4th year in a row). I think this is NOT a good decision like the ones Apple makes every few years.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by zitterbewegung »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #4

> Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving. That is some impressive levels of "we know better than you / everyone else" thinking.

Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac. You are not buying a car you are buying an appliance that happens to get you from point A to point B and provides neat new features. Unfortunately it makes it dangerous to do that…
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