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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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> What fees/monies did tesla pay to be included in driving schools? They are paying 'student drivers'

Huh?

Students are bringing their own cars (or their parents' cars) to driving school, and some of those cars are Tesla Model 3s.

The students (and/or their parents) are paying the school, not vice versa. Tesla is not paying the schools (or the students, or their parents) to bring those cars to driving school.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

You have to push a button on the wheel to activate the turn signal, but while the vehicle is turning, the wheel is at an angle, so the button is in a different place than usual. Both in space, and for people who shuffle their hands when they steer, potentially relative to the driver's hands as well. Makes it more difficult to activate than a standard stalk that's always in the same place, and is a larger target.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

If your wheel is turned because you are in a curve, your “right turn” button will be on top or maybe even on the left of the wheel, depending on how sharp the curve is. This can be disorienting and cause you to look away from the road and at your wheel to figure out where it is. The turn signal stalk is always in the same place regardless of your wheel turn angle because it attaches to the steering wheel column rather than to the wheel itself.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

The turn signal buttons are on the steering wheel, which means that if you're trying to press those buttons while the wheel is already being turned (most notably in a roundabout) then there is no way to know where the buttons are located other than by looking at the steering wheel.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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> Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving. That is some impressive levels of "we know better than you / everyone else" thinking.

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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I don’t drive, so I’m a little unclear as to what the issue is with Tesla’s force-touch turn signals specifically in roundabouts. The article only states that it’s a problem, but not how it’s a problem. Could anyone elaborate? To be clear - I can understand why this design is awful more generally. What I don’t understand is the problem it poses specifically in roundabouts since that seems to be the central point of t…

Controls that change position in a vehicle require you to pay attention to them. As the controls in this car rotate with the steering input instead of remaining where they can be easily reached, they require you to pay attention to where they have move to so that they can be activated.

This is fine in regular driving situations but very difficult when you have multiple things going on at the same time that require your attention, such as when you are turning in a roundabout.

Normally this is activated with your left hand pushing a stalk up or down and is deeply ingrained in anyone trained in a modern vehicle.

It’s the same issue with touch screen inputs, but in this case it’s safety related and a common and critically used component required for safe operation of the vehicle.

Tesla’s insight about self-driving warranting the removal or rearrangement of input controls is a tad rich considering full self driving has been promised for years and has never been delivered. Back in 2016, Elon Musk claimed that Tesla cars could “drive autonomously with greater safety than a person. Right now.” Now in 2023 they are changing safety equipment for “full self driving” but still haven’t delivered FSD, but I’m sure you know the background.

Hope this is helpful.

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