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Did it kill people?
From this article [0] in October of 2023"...Autopilot have been involved in more than 700 crashes, at least 19 of them fatal, since its introduction in 2014..." [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...
Also how many lives has it saved?
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We have a drivers exam in one form or another in nearly every country that is intended to certify and evaluate your ability to pilot a vehicle. While it doesn’t always, it should include all facets of driving and the car shouldn’t need to hold your hand. I strongly believe that this hand holding cars are required to do now just lowers the average skill of new drivers. A great example of this is an alarming amount of…
> unguided on mirrors alone I suspect pretty soon the mirrors may go the way of morse code with respect to tesging. Tesla is trying to eliminate rearview mirrors, replacing them with cameras. that said, I LIKE mirrors - they don't go out or white out in the wrong lighting. I also like turn signals and gearshift levers, which tesla has already eliminated. It seems like the only button you can depend on in a tesla is t…
Tesla also have an indicator stalk ("turn signal"), and their gear shift is also on a stalk, as it was in most 50s and 60s cars.
Is there a specific Tesla type or concept vehicle you're referencing here? Because none of the ones I've been in reflect what you're saying.
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This article and discussion are specifically regarding base autopilot, not FSD.
Yeah I mixed up the terms but I was talking about things like autopilot. My point was even if you don't have "door-to-door good as a human driver really fully self-driving", the main feature of self-driving is that you should be able to not pay attention for a while. Personally I'm not sure that "proper" FSD will even be possible in the near future.
Tesla really is a garbage car all around. Suspicious build quality. Features locked behind software gate. False claims of full autonomous AI. Broken OTA updates. So glad I didn’t pull the trigger when it was hyped. Anecdotally, the worst drivers I have ever encountered on the road are the basic white Tesla drivers. Almost on par with beat down Nissan Altima drivers.
I don't pay for the extras, but paying for extra features on a car is as old as cars.
It's a very comfortable car which is nice to drive, cheap to run and has many features. I'm not sure how you get to "garbage" here.
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> unguided on mirrors alone I suspect pretty soon the mirrors may go the way of morse code with respect to tesging. Tesla is trying to eliminate rearview mirrors, replacing them with cameras. that said, I LIKE mirrors - they don't go out or white out in the wrong lighting. I also like turn signals and gearshift levers, which tesla has already eliminated. It seems like the only button you can depend on in a tesla is t…
I'm confused. Teslas (and most cars in the last decade) have a rear view mirror and reverse camera. Tesla also have an indicator stalk ("turn signal"), and their gear shift is also on a stalk, as it was in most 50s and 60s cars. Is there a specific Tesla type or concept vehicle you're referencing here? Because none of the ones I've been in reflect what you're saying.
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Undocumented, non-standard, life-threatening software automation is bad?
No, it’s documented. Thoroughly. It’s just that it’s a new car and the guy assumed there were no changes, and he didn’t check, and his son didn’t tell him. End of story. Also, this is an adult. With grownish children. They are old enough to know the risk of OPENING THE DRIVERS DOOR AT 70 MPH, and it is no one’s responsibility to account for that, and the guy should know by now that even if it worked 10,000,000,000 ti…
And the documented part is BS. People don't read their owners manuals and even if they did it'd usually say not to open the door in motion, not that it will slam the brakes if you do. Even if it does it's unrealistic to expect people to read the manual of every car they drive. Rentals would go out of business real quick.
I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…
I feel like all of these are minor annoyances compared to the more serious safety issues they are trying to prevent. I feel like you are underestimating how stupid the average user is… and especially how stupid the most stupid users are.
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“People are morons” is not a justification for claiming they aren’t equivalent when they are.
But they aren't equivalent. The airline system requires thousands of hours of training total (and many hours on a specific type/model of plane) to operate. Driving a car requires no such training.
The aircraft requires hundreds of hours to operate without autopilot. Autopilot isn’t what imposes the training requirement.
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“People are morons” is not a justification for claiming they aren’t equivalent when they are.
The justification isn't that people are morons, it's that the same word can have different meanings on different contexts.
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and also tells you if you look tired (and need a coffee). And it actually works pretty well
My 2014 VW had this already, so really not sure what's the big breakthrough for Tesla here.
Marketing, marketing, especially to Americans.
Tesla's highlighting stuff that various other car brands have and I think there's also an influx of newish drivers that just didn't check what their cars were capable of (nobody reads the manual).