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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by ceejayoz »

mavhc wrote: post #114
ceejayoz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.justanswer.com/toyota/mb45v-own-23-toyota-coroll... > Start by sitting in the driver's seat and closing the door. Buckle your seat belt. Turn the ignition to the "On" position without starting the engine. Within a few seconds of turning the ignition on, unbuckle and then re-buckle your seat belt three times, making sure each action is completed quickly. After the third buckle action, keep the seat belt bu…

Is there a complete list of cheat codes for your car?

I'm sure the service manuals they provide to mechanics cover these.

Details vary from manufacturer to manufacturer, but they're quite common. https://lifehacker.com/hack-your-ride-cheat-codes-and-workar...

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by [deleted] »

freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by xyst »

Tesla really is a garbage car all around. Suspicious build quality. Features locked behind software gate. False claims of full autonomous AI. Broken OTA updates. So glad I didn’t pull the trigger when it was hyped.

Anecdotally, the worst drivers I have ever encountered on the road are the basic white Tesla drivers. Almost on par with beat down Nissan Altima drivers.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by MarkusWandel »

dangus wrote: post #118
freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

> My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus on driving when there is a blaring alarm in your face. You aren’t supposed to be driving until all occupants in your vehicle have buckled their seatbelts. That’s why the alarm is loud and annoying, becaus…

My car's gone the opposite way. When trying to find it in the parking lot, with the old one, you just pushed "lock" on the keyfob twice and listened for the horn honk. The new one makes a nice, elegant but not very loud "beep" sound. Useless for this purpose.

They also got the seat belt warning right. At startup it displays a map of the seats, green if occupied and buckled, red if not, grey if unoccupied. Good for checking that the kids did up their seat belts in the back, without being annoying. I'm guessing it does have a nag chime, but the kids have behaved so far...

I do have to say, the only complaint about the gimcrackery in mine (low-ish trim level 2023 Honda Civic) is that the menu UI is a bit clunky. But nothing gets in your way once adjusted properly and the automations (e.g. you can't manually time the windshield washer squirt any more - it squirts at the optimum angle of the wipers) work pretty well.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by xyst »

rabbits_2002 wrote: post #41

unrelated, but does anyone else start to panic in autonomous vehicles? Every time I have been in a Tesla with autopilot on I immediately feel dread and and impending doom and I get very anxious.

Never been in one. But I do get a sense of panic and anxiety seeing some of these Tesla idiots testing this junk in crowded, dense urban areas.

I frequently walk now and the number of basic white Tesla close calls is way too high.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by shmatt »

xyst wrote: post #133

Tesla really is a garbage car all around. Suspicious build quality. Features locked behind software gate. False claims of full autonomous AI. Broken OTA updates. So glad I didn’t pull the trigger when it was hyped. Anecdotally, the worst drivers I have ever encountered on the road are the basic white Tesla drivers. Almost on par with beat down Nissan Altima drivers.

(White) Teslas are just more common, but EV acceleration is dangerous in the wrong hands. My family friendly electric Volvo CUV does 0-60 as fast as a Porsche 911. The EX-30 is going to be about 25% faster. Mass adoption is going to be pretty scary

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by sidlls »

palemoonale wrote: post #101
ceejayoz wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A door opening on the highway is an emergency scenario, too. The car is correct to go “what the fuck?!”

Not. As pointed out, opening and re-closing isn't uncommon, especially in winter. Stop defending nannyfying conditioning.

Sorry, a person's right to be a complete moron (opening a door while a car is moving) doesn't trump everyone else's right to not be endangered by said moron.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by xbar »

Cacti wrote: post #42
peteradio wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. I heard a story about a guy who is used to chewing tobacco while driving and would crack open the door and spit while moving at speed. He tried doing this in his son's new jeep and the car immediately slammed on the brakes and nearly caused an accident. Obviously cracking the door to spit out the bottom isn't too safe but slamming on the brakes? What why?

What exactly is the issue? That the guy has been recklessly opening his car door, while driving it, at speed, for his entire life?

Undocumented, non-standard, life-threatening software automation is bad?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by adamking »

kbos87 wrote: post #11

The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

My 2023 Chevy Bolt EUV does exactly this with SuperCruise, in layers. Look away from the road for a few seconds? Visible warning. Keep looking away? Audible warning. Still looking away? SuperCruise disables, slows the vehicle to a stop, and calls OnStar.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by TacticalCoder »

braunshedd wrote: post #121
freedomben wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2023 Toyota Sienna

I just disabled all of these warnings on my Toyota with a third party OBDII reader and the Carista app, which also comes with lots of other fun options to fiddle with. Only thing I haven't figured out is how to disable the chime on startup!

> I just disabled all of these warnings on my Toyota with a third party OBDII reader...

I'd do it too but... My car (not a Toyota), although 11 years old, is still on an extended manufacturer warranty (which I pay to renew each year) but if I modify the system, I void the warranty.

I'm just pointing out that out because Toyota have great warranties AFAIK and can be extended up to at least 7 years old? (if you do the maintenance at Toyota dealerships).

I want to "hack" my car too but I'm not doing it as long as it's still under warranty.

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