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This is what Snazzy Labs said about Beeper Mini... hilarious: > This doesn't appear to be some easy thing Apple can just turn off. > It will require a complete redesign of their entire authentication and delivery strategy for not just iMessage but Apple ID account access as a whole.
The bar for 'tech journalist' is... none. There is no bar.
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> from this technical investment What technical investment? They bought an open-source project from a high-school student. Beeper Mini is an app they would have built anyway. They simply implemented the bare minimum of iMessage functionality there. Which is a couple of days worth of work, maximum. Maybe a week. And some for testing. I’m somewhat certain it cost them less than 5 figures. And if it did, what a great ma…
I still have no idea what Beeper is, because beeper.com only talks about Beeper Mini. I'm getting from some people here on HN that there's another product... somewhere... but if the purpose of the whole exercise were to draw attention to that product shouldn't they be doing that somehow? As is all I know about is the chat app whose primary sales pitch is the now-broken iMessage interop.
As usual, Gruber was right on the money. Via Threads yesterday: "My prediction is that Apple will make changes—fixing bugs and/or closing loopholes—that break Beeper Mini. It’s untenable that there’s unsanctioned client software for a messaging platform for which privacy and security are a primary feature. It’s a very nice app, remarkably clever, and for now works like a charm, but if Apple wanted an iMessage client…
His first sentence about privacy and security is nonsense, but his second sentence hits the nail on the head. If the richest company in the world wanted their chat app to run on Android, it would by now. It's strange Apple doesn't sell an iMessage Android app, but I'm sure they've had somebody do the math and found out that it's more money for Apple in the long run if they don't.
Apple doesn’t sell apps they sell hardware and services. There’s no incentive for them to provide a free iMessage app for android, and I doubt many people would pay for one.
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In my family they are. I am in Australia and almost everyone I text has their phone number come up in blue, signifying iMessage/iPhone For example, when RSVPing to a kid's birthday party, other parents' numbers are inevitably blue. When selling and buying items, the contacts for those sales have always been blue numbers, it's rare to encounter a number that doesn't "turn blue" when I enter it into the "to" field I wo…
It's highly dependent on the demographic I think. I'd guess that I'm younger than you based on your comment about having kids, and everyone in my social circles use Facebook messenger or instagram.
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It is indeed confounding how something as simple as chat and messaging can be so difficult to standardize. I suppose looking at the shitshow that is email standards (and how difficult it is to ensure valid senders) gives some insight, but yikes.
Because "chat" is pretty much meaningless as a term. The only common thread between chat apps is "bidirectional data transfer between at least two devices." SMS and Discord are both chat but have wildly different completely incompatible semantics, iMessage embeds full iOS apps and a payment network into the chat. I can't see any world where chat gets standardized that doesn't involve throwing out everything except th…
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His first sentence about privacy and security is nonsense, but his second sentence hits the nail on the head. If the richest company in the world wanted their chat app to run on Android, it would by now. It's strange Apple doesn't sell an iMessage Android app, but I'm sure they've had somebody do the math and found out that it's more money for Apple in the long run if they don't.
Because there are people that buys iphone just to get a blue bubble, why would Apple want to stop that?
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I would agree if they hadn't completely redone their website to remove every reference to Beeper Cloud. They really made it look like a deprecated product, not a good alternative that won't get blocked.
Oh wow aye, admittedly I've had no reason to go to their main site recently (and in hindsight should have before responding). They really went all in on marketing this eh There's always a possibility of me being wrong! It does look like a bit of a pivot doesn't it.. Good point, well made. I think I'll go double check I can still log in to my chat apps directly just in case haha
Even without iMessages, a fully local application like this would be a great product. The fact that it relied on their servers put me off of using Beeper cloud
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His first sentence about privacy and security is nonsense, but his second sentence hits the nail on the head. If the richest company in the world wanted their chat app to run on Android, it would by now. It's strange Apple doesn't sell an iMessage Android app, but I'm sure they've had somebody do the math and found out that it's more money for Apple in the long run if they don't.
> It's strange Apple doesn't sell an iMessage Android app Apple doesn’t sell apps they sell hardware and services. There’s no incentive for them to provide a free iMessage app for android, and I doubt many people would pay for one.
Enough people paid for one. Enough to make Apple scared and use engineer time to ban/block people anyway.