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Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by halgir »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #60
jltsiren wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every culture has its own unwritten rules and customs. If you want to do business in a foreign culture, it's your responsibility to learn those customs and adapt to them. If you refuse to adapt and your business suffers because of the backlash, the cause of failure was your cultural insensitivity and/or ignorance.

> Every culture has its own unwritten rules and customs. Many cultures have bribery as an unwritten rule and custom. Every official you run across is expecting a small bribe. Should companies adopt that culture as well?

Without commenting on whether they normatively should adopt that culture, they should not be surprised if refusal to adapt to that custom results in business failure.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by Geezus_42 »

throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

> Musk said last week: “I disagree with the idea of unions. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing.” This sounds ridiculous.

He " do[es]n’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing", except the system that made him a lord.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by victorbjorklund »

rob74 wrote: post #123

> A Swedish court said on Thursday that PostNord did not, for the time being, need to deliver licence plates to the electric carmaker that were being blocked by the postal service’s workers, in the latest twist in a battle over collective bargaining agreements. How exactly is this done? Do they refuse to accept the license plates when the Swedish Transport Agency wants to drop them off? Or do they accept the plates,…

The latter. They dont deliever any mail.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by godzillabrennus »

0xDEF wrote: post #146

Tesla is shooting itself in the foot by not being pragmatic. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are combined the 3rd biggest market for Tesla. During some months we even edge out China temporarily becoming Tesla's 2nd biggest market. The way our unions are being portrayed by Americans is ridiculous. Even pro-union Americans are making our unions sound far more aggressive and subversive than they actually are. A "blockade" j…

It does seem penny wise and dollar foolish for Musk/Tesla to be playing these games.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by Geezus_42 »

Zobat wrote: post #143
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

> Musk said last week: “I disagree with the idea of unions. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing.” This sounds ridiculous.

More like; Unions give the peasants power when negotiating with the lords. I guess he knows that and I guess that is the real reason he dislikes them.

Exactly

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by andsoitis »

suoduandao3 wrote: post #141
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

> Musk said last week: “I disagree with the idea of unions. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing.” This sounds ridiculous.

A lot of what Musk says and does sounds ridiculous. That doesn't make it wise to dismiss out of hand. I actually agree that a lot of unions reinforce an us-vs-them mentality that might be necessary in local disputes but certainly isn't as good as having everyone's incentives aligned. What I think Musk might be missing in this context is that European unions have a deep history in the guild system and are related not…

> disseminating best practices and standards

What is a good example?

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by hospitalJail »

suoduandao3 wrote: post #141
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

> Musk said last week: “I disagree with the idea of unions. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing.” This sounds ridiculous.

A lot of what Musk says and does sounds ridiculous. That doesn't make it wise to dismiss out of hand. I actually agree that a lot of unions reinforce an us-vs-them mentality that might be necessary in local disputes but certainly isn't as good as having everyone's incentives aligned. What I think Musk might be missing in this context is that European unions have a deep history in the guild system and are related not…

>a deep history in the guild system and are related not just to bargaining with employers but also disseminating best practices and standards, so they add a lot of value as well.

This is the first time I've seen someone mention this as a good thing.

Most of the time its mentioned in outdated regulations dragging out the economic output of Europe in favor of old people who don't want to use new technology. I think everyone who has worked in physical product company has heard a story about how European unions are slow and expensive which is why XYZ is done somewhere else.

I actually like unions, I just found it silly to think that the guild system and the laws that resulted from union's corrupting the government are good things.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by SwedishExpat »

port515 wrote: post #137

Considering all Tesla imports come from Germany or China, I feel Sweden will be on the losing end of this.

That's not related to this issue. Sweden loses if they allow multinationals to break the Swedish Model. If Tesla decided to never sell a car to Sweden, which is within their rights, Sweden would still have won if the labour market remains in tact. Personally I am 99.9% sure that Tesla will fold eventually, the question is how much PR damage will they have created for themselves in the Nordics/EU before they fold.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Post by qarl »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #148
throw_a_grenade wrote: post #126

> Musk said last week: “I disagree with the idea of unions. I just don’t like anything which creates a lords-and-peasants kind of thing.” This sounds ridiculous.

He probably said quite a bit more than just that. If you extract just one sentence from somebody's position, you can make anyone look ridiculous. Looking at this from a distance and without picking sides, I can see both sides have a point and a bigger agenda. The actual conflict seems like it is a sideshow to this bigger agenda. In Scandinavia the unions are historically very strong. Strong as in they are mostly soci…

> He probably said quite a bit more than just that.

Yes, this is also the conversation where he said "Go fuck yourself. Go. Fuck. Yourself."

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