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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

martin8412 wrote: post #381
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218

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> contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes Tesla can't call force majeure on a contract it isn't party to. If the Swedish government wanted to break the strike, it can--trivially. There is simply zero political will to do so.

Yes, Tesla can do exactly that. It's a standard clause in Nordic contracts. They're not liable if they have had even remotely competent council do their contracts. My Visa card has a clause that the bank isn't liable if it stops working due to industrial action.

> a standard clause in Nordic contracts

What contract is Tesla party to that they would invoke this on? OP suggested Transport Agency invoking force majeure, which makes sense.

> has a clause that the bank isn't liable if it stops working due to industrial action

Who is suggesting liability for Tesla?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

belltaco wrote: post #287
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #218

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> contracts have exclusions in cases of forces majeures like strikes Tesla can't call force majeure on a contract it isn't party to. If the Swedish government wanted to break the strike, it can--trivially. There is simply zero political will to do so.

The Swedish Transport Agency is required by law to provide plates. If it cannot fulfil its duties because of a force majeur event then it would be expected to explore alternatives like allowing plates to be picked up at the factory, which is not forbidden by law. It might be forbidden by the contract with PostNord, but PostNord is undergoing a force majeure so it cannot object to it. > If the Swedish government wante…

> If it cannot fulfil its duties because of a force majeur event then it would be expected to explore alternatives

I don’t know Swedish law. But this certainly isn’t the case in America.

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Post by yreg »

tshaddox wrote: post #122
yreg wrote: post #85

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I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?

It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

I would expect them to stop working at all instead of de facto stealing parcels belonging to a single customer.

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Post by yreg »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #199
tshaddox wrote: post #122

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It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

By living and working in the U.S.. Most commenters here are wrongly assuming workers in Sweden have as little rights as they do, and probably just as exploited as well.

Well, you are the one wrongly assuming. I am from Slovakia, and we have strong labour laws and strikes all the time.

The thing is that government services must be provided to everyone or (if enough people are on strike) not at all.

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Post by bborud »

lholoubek wrote: post #268
bborud wrote: post #66

This is a brilliant opportunity to learn about the Nordic Model and the interaction between government, unions and employers. (Somehow I doubt Elon Musk bothered understanding what he was getting himself into here. This could get really ugly)

Don't forget there are also interactions with consumers, who will now be deprived of the ability to purchase Tesla products. Alternatives include buying from Volvo, a Chinese-owned company who only recently got a few middling EV options to market. Consumers in Sweden may be fine having their purchasing options diminished out of solidarity with the union, but these actions do have consequences for consumers.

Have a look at the unionization rates in the Nordics. Taken together with the Nordic model: what do you think is going to matter more?

Or actually, let’s turn it around: do you think attacking the interests of a large portion of the working population is going to strengthen or weaken the Tesla brand?

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Post by Moiman »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #153
actionfromafar wrote: post #89

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You wouldn't have the right to do that by Swedish law. You only have the right to strike.

Posnord isn't striking. They are doing everything else and except servicing tesla.

Postnord isn't striking but workers are.

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Post by carlosjobim »

occz wrote: post #383
carlosjobim wrote: post #239

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I know for a matter of fact that it is the case in Sweden with some employers. They'll sign you up for the union without your consent and without informing you. Then the union in their turn will sign you up with insurance companies and other third parties without consent of information. Just a bill suddenly arriving in your mail that you have to pay.

Complete fabrication without any basis in reality.

I gave a link in a comment above, where the union spells out crystal clear exactly what I said.

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Post by toxik »

yreg wrote: post #85
toxik wrote: post #51

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Right, and they don’t. The workers do.

I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?

I don’t know what I think, it’s not a normal situation in my country. Businesses sign the union agreement, because it is a collaborative process between the union and the employer. The whole system is predicated on good faith. Tesla is openly being adversarial and the union has now after years said enough, and declared a legal strike. Strikes are usually resolved long before this stage. Unions in Denmark and Norway don’t often go on sympathy strikes for Swedish unions.

In my opinion, screw the Musk boy. There are other EV manufacturers.

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Post by Hikikomori »

robertlagrant wrote: post #152
tshaddox wrote: post #122

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It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

Are they on strike? I thought they were just refusing to provide services to single customer.

That would be a sympathy strike.

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Post by actionfromafar »

robertlagrant wrote: post #370
actionfromafar wrote: post #362

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Wikipedia still has some ways to go when it comes to the history of various smaller countries, I guess. And in even in English it has some gaps.

Yes, but they're the ones citing it. I don't understand their response in light of that.

Now you made me read the link. :-D

It defines the concept pretty well, which is somewhat valuable, but has few citations, which is unfortunate.

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