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I am surprised that in this case Swedes value individual rights over their duty to the public.
Tesla is not the public.
Small differences in labor law make all the difference. In Finland, Tesla repair shops follow the minimums stated in collective agreements and Musk probably don't even know about it. In Sweden it's issue for him. Finland has generally applicable collective agreements where employers should observe at least the provisions of a national collective agreement considered representative in the relevant sector. When a colle…
According to Tesla, the agreement which employees have in Sweden is already better than the minimum bar set by union, so Teslas issues appears to more out of principle than out of actual issues with the agreement itself. Or Tesla is lying and the agreement with employees is not actually better.
Who knows which change in the wind would make Musk change his opinion and make conditions worse (see "I'm a free speech absolutist (until I'm not, and I shut up every voice opposing me)".
With a collective agreement, he can throw as many tantrums he wants and the workers will be protected.
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Their "duty to the public" being to deliver license plates to Tesla? Really?
Their duty is to deliver mail is it not? Should mail carriers refuse to deliver political flyers because they disagree with the message??
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Yup, and one is the principles of a large car company from another country while the other is the social underpinnings of the countries entire labour market going back a century
That is exaggregated. This is IF Metall vs Tesla, not Sweden vs Tesla.
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That is exaggregated. This is IF Metall vs Tesla, not Sweden vs Tesla.
It isn't just IF Metall vs Tesla in practice. The result of this whole thing will impact Swedish labor standards as a whole by setting a critical precedent for both companies and unions. I'm not part of IF Metall, but also not naive enough to think this power struggle won't affect me or people I care about working in Sweden in the future.
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So you are okay with, say, the individuals of a fire department deciding not to put out a fire because they don't like someone? This is a public service we are talking about here.
Should individuals be forced to perform their duties against their wills?
It is frowned upon to selectively do parts of your job when people are relying on you.
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I'm not a member of if metall (member of a lame yellow union) but I'm a Swede and it's us against Elon. I stand with the metallers in solidarity!
That's completely fine. I think many do. But it is not as black and white as some state it
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If you are rendering a public service, absolutely. Unless doctors can just start letting patients die on their tables because they don't like their patient's politics.
What's wrong with a doctor refusing to treat a patient they don't like?
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That is exaggregated. This is IF Metall vs Tesla, not Sweden vs Tesla.
This would be true if there were not repercussions for the wider Swedish model, but since there are repercussions of rolling over it is Sweden vs Tesla
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Their "duty to the public" being to deliver license plates to Tesla? Really?
Their duty is to deliver mail is it not? Should mail carriers refuse to deliver political flyers because they disagree with the message??
Union members should be allowed to go on strike, complete or partial as far as I'm concerned.