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Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Tesla should leave the market and let Swedes buy automobiles from their own brands... like... err... Saab which no longer exists... or Volvo, which now belongs to a Chinese conglomerate...

Polestars are pretty nice! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar_3

That car starts at ~$90k. So maybe it's nice to have, but most people can't.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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So you are okay with, say, the individuals of a fire department deciding not to put out a fire because they don't like someone? This is a public service we are talking about here.

Arbitrary discrimination can’t be compared to organized union strikes?

Why is one arbitrary and the other not? I don't understand the distinction you are making.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Is PostNord like the post office or like fedex? If the former, that seems crazy to me. Imagine the post office just refused to deliver your electricity bill despite the electric company paying for a stamp. If it's the latter it makes a lot more sense.

Imagine a country where there is a law against private companies delivering mail to your mailbox?

Luckily, I think such Soviet-type laws are a thing of the past? No?

Oh, wait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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They are the national postal service, successor to the old Posten AB (which just means “The Post, Ltd”), and before that Postverket (“The Post Agency”). There is nothing strange about the notion of a postal strike, that's why the US has the USPS to begin with (its predecessor's employees went on strike and brought the US federal govt to its knees).

> There is nothing strange about the notion of a postal strike, that's why the US has the USPS to begin with (its predecessor's employees went on strike and brought the US federal govt to its knees). Can the USPS outright refuse to deliver all valid and legally paid for mail from a sender? I don't think so but can be corrected.

No, as most USPS employees are considered "quasi-federal" employees and US law prohibits any federal employees from striking. They can protest and have some of the usual Union protections but striking can lead to them being fired, fined, or imprisoned.

As well, there are specific regulations in place for USPS workers to deliver and process all mail (barring certain safety and health issues with the package or delivery).

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Both parties act out of principles. The conflict is about power dynamics, first and foremost.

Yup, and one is the principles of a large car company from another country while the other is the social underpinnings of the countries entire labour market going back a century

That is exaggregated. This is IF Metall vs Tesla, not Sweden vs Tesla.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Tesla should leave the market and let Swedes buy automobiles from their own brands... like... err... Saab which no longer exists... or Volvo, which now belongs to a Chinese conglomerate...

Or, they could research the business climate and laws in a country before establishing a presence. Then feel free to buck established practice, but at least know the potential consequences.

Sure, in that case maybe Tesla would never have entered Sweden, but what good is that? It's bad for Sweden, Tesla, and the environment.

Discovering this Swedish 'quirk' then vs. now wouldn't make Tesla any more likely to roll over to extralegal bullying tactics.

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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post #33
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Is PostNord like the post office or like fedex? If the former, that seems crazy to me. Imagine the post office just refused to deliver your electricity bill despite the electric company paying for a stamp. If it's the latter it makes a lot more sense.

Imagine a country where there is a law against private companies delivering mail to your mailbox? Luckily, I think such Soviet-type laws are a thing of the past? No? Oh, wait: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

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Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the people who are on strike, not the company. Are people where you live not allowed to go on strike?

So you are okay with, say, the individuals of a fire department deciding not to put out a fire because they don't like someone? This is a public service we are talking about here.

Should individuals be forced to perform their duties against their wills?

Re: Swedish court rules against Tesla in dispute with postal service over deliveries

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Is PostNord like the post office or like fedex? If the former, that seems crazy to me. Imagine the post office just refused to deliver your electricity bill despite the electric company paying for a stamp. If it's the latter it makes a lot more sense.

Both, unlike in the US the Swedish post office is privatized and handled by multiple companies, eg Citymail also offers postal services. PostNord has won the tender with the Swedish transport authority though and as such is the one they should use. PostNord is the result of the merger between the privatized (but state owned) Swedish and Danish postal services. But also – union rights and postal rights needs to be wei…

I am surprised that in this case Swedes value individual rights over their duty to the public.
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