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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by wharvle »

543354544 wrote: post #33
Deprecate9151 wrote: post #27

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Strikes are to thank for that.

I don't know what you actually meant with this nonsense

“Free” workers under capitalism used to often not be free to leave the job. As in they’d be locked in, or some big dudes would encourage them to stay, or they’d be in some remote area and paid largely in scrip, and practically unable to quit, or a despotic local “big man” major employer would ensure they’d have to leave town if they upset him, which could include things like “wasn’t back in the bunk house before curfew”. The labor movement is largely the reason capitalists don’t/can’t still do those things.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by eddtries »

masklinn wrote: post #127
legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

> If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agreements? The entire point of the german / Nordic union model is that by avoiding legislative action they can be more nimble and reactive to changes. Companies and unions don’t want legislation, and the governments are perfectly happy to let them handle things l…

> plays ball

Which is the case for 99% of companies. It’s only American ones internationally expanding who don’t realise other economies operate differently that get stung with this.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by messe »

gottorf wrote: post #70
Hikikomori wrote: post #55

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They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike. And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

> the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. A "private company" that is fully owned by the government is private company in name only; hence my calling it a pseudo-government agency. Especially for a legally-privileged function that is serving postal mail.

Fully owned by the state, not the government.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by throwawa14223 »

slantedview wrote: post #86
freedomben wrote: post #56

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Some people I know despise their unions and union leadership. How would you structure it so that people aren't forced to support a union they hate?

Opt-in by default. Not all unions are great, but the median unionized worker earns more than a non-unionized worker in the same field. So the main reason people wouldn't want to join a union is because they've been conditioned to think they're bad, against their own economic interests.

I feel like you're reducing everything to material conditions. Joining a union would (statistically) help me economically but my objections to being in a union again are all moral convictions. Perhaps workers are optimizing for concerns you do not share?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by elteto »

actionfromafar wrote: post #89
jsiepkes wrote: post #77

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Should a mail worker be able to decide who gets their mail and who don't? For example as a mail worker should I be able to opt out from delivering mail to politicians whose political statements I find deplorable?

You wouldn't have the right to do that by Swedish law. You only have the right to strike.

And then you can strike by selectively refusing to deliver mail for _one_ entity?

I mean, call it whatever you want, but it is a selective strike and a government agency shouldn’t have the right to do that. You either don’t deliver _any_ mail, or you deliver it all.

Btw I can totally empathize with the reason of the autoworkers strike, yet not agree with this.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by shtopointo »

kryptiskt wrote: post #22

The biggest problem for Tesla right now is that they can't get registration plates since the appeals court reversed the lower court's decision about allowing them to get them during the suit against the transport authority and failing to convince the court in the PostNord suit that they should get temporary relief during that suit.

Quite the precedent to set. Does this mean that any company operating in Denmark, that happens to be in a work dispute may have their mail stopped?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by dragonwriter »

tshaddox wrote: post #122
yreg wrote: post #85

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I find it insane that the workers of the state-owned postal office can decide what mail to deliver based on their personal views. What's next, the mass transit drivers refusing to stop near Tesla's offices? Court workers refusing to accept Tesla's lawsuits? Firemen refusing to put out fire on Tesla's properties?

It’s a strike. How could the workers be prohibited from deciding whether to strike?

Prohibited is easy. Just pass a law making it illegal for workers in that agency to strike, or to advocate, promote, discuss, etc., potential strikes (that may conflict with existing law, be politically difficult, etc., but the mechanism is clear.)

Prevented, though, is harder. Prohibitions aren't always effective prevention.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by mempko »

capitalism22 wrote: post #97
InCityDreams wrote: post #82

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>There's all the evidence in the world that it's the best way to make everyone wealthy and improve standard of living, Link to evidence?

Do you also need a link to evidence stating the sky is blue? Do your own homework.

Economy and energy availability are highly correlated. It could be that any system, under abundant energy, would grow. You have to demonstrate that capitalism grows better than others under restrictive conditions, which I haven't seen any evidence for. We have had exponential growth in energy and resource use for over 100 years. Under that regime, it's hard to fail. Except it seems we are now reaching the limits.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by [deleted] »

riversflow wrote: post #102
bayindirh wrote: post #80

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Doesn’t matter. Even when you’re fully owned by a government, unionization allows you to do this. This is what unionization is, protects the worker regardless of your employer.

We should unioninze the military.

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