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Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by toxik »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

Right, and they don’t. The workers do.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by simion314 »

legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

>is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agreements?

I am not sure, but it is ironic when the guys complaining about over regulation want to regulate a free market that worked well in those countries for so long.

I did not seen that much support for Tesla in Europe communities so the US government would be needed to have any chance to force such regulations.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by vanderZwan »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

I'm guessing that in this case enforcing that would break the right of government employees to strike.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by Hikikomori »

gottorf wrote: post #46
eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

That's wild! As a (pseudo-) government agency, it seems like the postal service shouldn't be legally allowed to pick and choose whose mail to deliver and whose to withhold.

They're not allowed to pick and choose themselves. Why and when you can strike and sympathy strike is clearly defined, if you take action outside this framework it would be an illegal strike.

And just to add, the postal service in question is private and works like a private company, though the states of Sweden and Denmark fully owns it. Employees are not state employees.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by freedomben »

ajkjk wrote: post #17
appleskeptic wrote: post #2

Striking should be legal, but firing employees for striking should also be legal.

Striking should be ubiquitous; employees should be in unions by default with no voting required.

Some people I know despise their unions and union leadership. How would you structure it so that people aren't forced to support a union they hate?

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by vodou »

legitster wrote: post #31

I'm coming from a US perspective and trying to understand what is actually happening https://www.ifmetall.se/aktuellt/tesla/ Does IF Metall already represent all of Tesla's employees? Does that mean there are no active Tesla services in Sweden during the strike? If union membership is really the way of life in Sweden, is there anything preventing the government from a legislative solution? Just mandate collective agr…

Most of this goes back to the "Saltsjöbaden Agreement", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltsj%C3%B6baden_Agreement.

To quote myself from the other day: "Basically, the government has left to the industry and unions to agree on a lot of stuff that is decided by law in other countries. E.g. Sweden does not have a minimum wage. This system has led to much fewer costly conflicts and strikes compared to many other countries for almost a century."

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by renewiltord »

It's quite interesting. They have proxy legal systems in these countries: the unions. Since the union "strikes" are not the same as traditional strikes that I know of, they can sustain the strike much longer.

Rather than strikes where workers don't work and don't get paid (and must be compensated from union dues), these strikes involve the majority of workers continuing to work and just shunning one or two companies across all aspects of society.

The proxy legal system comes up when the de jure system nominates the proxy system into a position of authority. In Sweden, irrespective of who nominally decides a car will have plates, the real gatekeeper is PostNord and its workers. The government and non-union-worker citizens are sort of an irrelevant bunch.

So the proxy legal system is the union that serves PostNord members. Interesting. In the US, I imagine this would be rapidly subverted by a crime lord who would extract surplus by simply holding Tesla hostage until they pay up some large personal bounty and then some increased benefits to workers. Hoffa and friends.

The reporting doesn't hint at anything like that in Sweden and crime lords are rarely international so that's interesting to see.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by brightball »

eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

At this point, I honestly just hope the standoff continues because I want to see how many moves each side has. This is really interesting to watch as somebody who isn't affected by it directly.

Government workers deciding not to provide services to specific entities or people they are in dispute with is a bridge that I can only assume should have some pretty serious consequences.

Re: Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and Danish unions join in

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Post by snoopsnopp »

eckesicle wrote: post #25

> Postal workers even decided not to deliver mail to the electric automaker, including license plates – an action that Musk called "insane". The local court has since put a stop to that action. This is no longer true. A higher court overturned that decision and the license plates are again blocked from reaching Tesla.

It’s interesting because free speech has become very expensive speech for Musk.
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