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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by joshstrange »

Piracy has a better UI/UX than legal streaming. Once that scale tipped it's not coming back without major changes.

With piracy you can watch all your shows, no matter the network/streaming-service, on one "service", one app/ui, no ads, no tracking. You literally cannot pay for that level if you wanted to. That's absurd.

If there was a legal way to do what I listed above that cost $200/mo I'd probably pay it. But you know they'd start to screw it up in record time adding in ads and the like.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by squigz »

ajross wrote: post #91
tsukikage wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. My weekly shopping bill begs to differ.

Then you are particularly unlucky in that your salary didn't keep up with inflation. It did (and more) for everyone else, on average. Check the FRED links I posted elsehwere in this subthread. If you don't believe in economics, why bother to make an economic point? It's really upsetting to me to watch this notionally rationalist community descend into this kind of memery.

"Memery" being people sharing their own experience that happens to differ from the norm...?

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by DeathArrow »

>"Digital video piracy is costing the US economy between $29.2 and $71 billion each year."

That is assuming that people would pay if forced to stop downloading. But what if people just quit watching the said content instead? Then should we make some laws to force people to buy content to save US economy between $29.2 and $71 billion each year?

Isn't there a kind of a difference between stealing a car and downloading a movie?

Anyway, legally obtained or illegally, it would be nice for people to binge watch content less. Get out with friends, get some fresh air, do something nice.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by quadrifoliate »

ajross wrote: post #50
polygamous_bat wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. You literally said nothing about cost of living here?

I literally did? That's what "real" means: having more real wages means you can buy more stuff. It's already adjusted for price rises. Check out FRED if you don't believe me: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048SBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N You and the upthread commenter are just citing a meme. It is not true. Period.

Your first graph for Median usual weekly real earnings shows a fall from 393 in Q2 2020 to 365 in Q2 2023.

Your third graph for Real Median Household Income shows a fall from 76,660 in 2020 to 74,580 today.

Even though I find it hard to take the reported inflation numbers seriously because they aren't calculated off a fixed basket of goods any more [1], those graphs don't seem to say we have more "real" wages now compared to 2020. I am confused as to why you seem to be arguing for the opposite. Am I reading them wrong or something?

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[1] From https://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/consumerpriceindex.... — "The new methodology takes into account changes in the quality of goods and the effects of substitution. Substitution, the changes consumers make in response to price increases, also changes the relative weighting of the goods in the basket. The overall result tends to be a lower CPI."

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by e2le »

jampekka wrote: post #3

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable, but it is convenient. Intellectual property isn't ethically justifiable, but it is convenient for some. > Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. In many (most?) jurisdictions downloading material is not illegal. Have these been subtracted from this figure, or is this yet another lie? Given the history of this propaganda, I'm qu…

The lack of links to sources in that article is disturbing. Requiring users find each of their sources is evil, and I suspect intentional.

I believe this might be their source:

https://www.creativefuture.org/new-study-the-size-and-scope-...

Which links to a Los Angeles Times article [1] from 2013, but not the study. The Los Angeles Times article also lacks a link to the study quoted. According to Creative Future, the study came from NetNames [2].

I did find some other interesting [3] articles [4] published on the Creative Future site.

[1]: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-fi-...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetNames

[3]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Acreativefuture.org%2F+bandw...

[4]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Acreativefuture.org%2F+pirac...

The NetNames site is no longer active however it was archived [5], the full report is missing. This is infuriating. If the study cannot be read, it might as well not exist.

I found a Torrent Freak article from 2013 [6] with more details.

[5]: https://web.archive.org/web/20131005143240/http://www.netnam...

[6]: https://torrentfreak.com/432-million-pirates-share-9567-peta...

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by nicolaslem »

al_borland wrote: post #103
trey-jones wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but price is definitely a part of the service. This one is easy for me: Disney jacks prices by 80%, people decide not to pay for it.

Price is part of it, and paying customers should never have a worse experience than those getting something for free. With DRM, activation severs that can be shut down, exclusivity deals, and fragmentation of marketplaces… paying customers often get a worse experience.

I wish Valve used their weight to cut down on the DRM, online activation and micro-transaction bullshit.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by DeathArrow »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #84
DeathArrow wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you aren't into sci-fi and fantasy?

I don't understand the question.

When talking about new, great content, parent mentioned only sci-fi and fantasy content: Marvel TV Shows, Wheel of Time, Foundation, House of the Dragon, the Mandalorian, Rings of Power, etc

So, it seemed that if you are into that stuff, you have some amazing content. But what if you are not?

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by Moldoteck »

Veuxdo wrote: post #28
baka367 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Many others didn't. Steam games are widely pirated.

imo it's still true bc of drm and vanishing content. Take AC 2. I'm not sure but afaik they turned off their servers or are about to do so and as result the pirated game will give you all the content, compared to og deluxe version that will not be able to get the content from the server. Games are pirated anyways regardless of drm, but drm will affect fps and the content can be vanished once servers are turned off, so you basically still get an inferior service compared to pirates, maybe less inferior compared to the past, but still inferior.

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by solatic »

The winning formula is really simple: offer an unlimited catalog (emphasis on unlimited - including all studios and publishers) and bill monthly subscription by the hour: watch up to 24 hours a month commercial-free post-billed for $29, with additional ten hour blocks for $10. Why 24 hours? Because most TV seasons are ~12 episodes each now and there's 22 working days per month to allow for an hour of TV before bed. I would wager that most people would agree that ~$1/hour for entertainment is a fair price. The pricing model makes it easy to track how to compensate for a show's performance and scales with additional viewing. Unused time can be used to help recoup costs of unpopular productions, in the same way that cable bundling forces you to pay for shows you don't watch. Let people define caps per user on their account, both to protect against a surprise bill at the end of the month and as a parental control to ensure children don't watch too much TV.

It's not that hard! The industry just needs to get its shit together and set standards for opening up distribution.

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