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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by Levitz »

It's inherently dishonest to go on and about how piracy hurts industries without taking a moment to point the enormous benefit it gave them.

There is absolutely, completely no way in hell the music and video industries would have their current sizes and audiences without piracy. Netflix and Spotify wouldn't have been made if it wasn't for piracy to begin with. What kind of insane madman would ever license material to these companies in a world with no piracy whatsoever? What kind of audience is there in the first place?

I don't, for a single one goddamned second, believe that the vast majority of musicians and film makers haven't resorted to pirated material, the cost to actually have a decent collection otherwise is preposterous, the cultural benefit of piracy is ginormous, it can hardly be put into words.

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Post by CoastalCoder »

ptrrrrrrppr wrote: post #8

It's always funny for me how the lost profits they calculate are inflated as hell. Here for example, they state that the US economy lost 29B$ due to piracy. In majority of the cases people who downloaded some of these shows/music would never buy all of these at full price. I personally subscribe to 3-5 streaming services and still if I'm looking for something classic (e.g. 1995 Heat) it always turns out to be either…

I'm very naive about economics, but couldn't we go further and say that the money would just be spent somewhere else in that same economy?

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Post by TheJoeMan »

dstick wrote: post #2

> For years, consumers griped about cable bundling and having to pay high prices for hundreds of channels they never watched in order to get the handful they enjoyed. Despite the growing availability of legal streaming options since then, piracy statistics show that infringement has remained a real concern. That's the thing isn't it? It was convenient when streaming first came on the scene. Everything in one place. "…

I own a full cable package with rights to ESPN, but didn't have the app downloaded on my phone. I tried to catch the end of a game in the web browser, and ESPN.com refused to allow access via web. Guess what was faster to search for?

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Post by elashri »

I really find it very misleading to report the piracy in terms of lost money. Because this always assumes that if no piracy exists, then 100% of people who did it will pay for the material otherwise. The argument goes along, this really hurts the economy by this amount. Which reminds me of the argument 'but think of the children' when talking about online privacy.

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Post by polygamous_bat »

ajross wrote: post #13
Xiol32 wrote: post #7

Is this really surprising? When it was just Netflix charging a few dollars a month for loads of content, it was great. It was easier than safer than pirating, and people turned to it in droves. Now content is spread over dozens of streaming services, with price rises happening annually and cost of living biting hard for the average person. Most of the time, you only want a handful of shows from a given service anyway…

> and cost of living biting hard for the average person This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. There was a 13 month burst of inflation (which correlated almost perfectly with wage growth, FWIW), and it seems like everyone lost their minds.

> Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid.

You literally said nothing about cost of living here?

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Post by trey-jones »

baka367 wrote: post #15
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Yes, but price is definitely a part of the service. This one is easy for me: Disney jacks prices by 80%, people decide not to pay for it.

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Post by Veuxdo »

baka367 wrote: post #15
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Many others didn't. Steam games are widely pirated.
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