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Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by ajross »

orwin wrote: post #58
ajross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and cost of living biting hard for the average person This is a meme that won't die. This is simply false. Real wages, real per capita GDP, real median income et. al. are all higher now than before covid. There was a 13 month burst of inflation (which correlated almost perfectly with wage growth, FWIW), and it seems like everyone lost their minds.

This meme is backed by US government data https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2023/demo/p60-27... """ Highlights: - Real median household income was $74,580 in 2022, a 2.3 percent decline from the 2021 estimate of $76,330 (Figure 1 and Table A-1). - Householders under the age of 65 experienced a decline in median household income of 1.4 percent from 2021, while householders aged 65 and over did not experience…

2021-22 is cherry-picked to land dead center in the middle of the inflation burst. Check the FRED charts I posted elsewhere in this thread and look to numbers before covid. They literally say the opposite.

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Post by Miraltar »

sbarre wrote: post #16

This is always the stat that I take exception to: > More than 70,000 jobs per year in the US alone are lost because of the lost revenues that came from music piracy. > (RIAA) > Music industry piracy statistics highlight the costs of music piracy and the immense consequences on the American economy. Music theft costs American workers significant losses in jobs and earnings as well as costing the US government substant…

Not to mention they don't throw the unspent money into a thrash can, it's just spent elsewhere...

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Post by al_borland »

trey-jones wrote: post #27
baka367 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Yes, but price is definitely a part of the service. This one is easy for me: Disney jacks prices by 80%, people decide not to pay for it.

Price is part of it, and paying customers should never have a worse experience than those getting something for free. With DRM, activation severs that can be shut down, exclusivity deals, and fragmentation of marketplaces… paying customers often get a worse experience.

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Post by jampekka »

voisin wrote: post #34
jampekka wrote: post #3

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable, but it is convenient. Intellectual property isn't ethically justifiable, but it is convenient for some. > Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. In many (most?) jurisdictions downloading material is not illegal. Have these been subtracted from this figure, or is this yet another lie? Given the history of this propaganda, I'm qu…

> Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. This seems shockingly high. I wonder how different this is geographically. I would think streaming via Netflix and others, YouTube, Twitch, etc would have shrunk illegal streaming to a much smaller percentage of the total.

Seems incredibly high. Literally incredibly.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

twothamendment wrote: post #64
sbarre wrote: post #16

This is always the stat that I take exception to: > More than 70,000 jobs per year in the US alone are lost because of the lost revenues that came from music piracy. > (RIAA) > Music industry piracy statistics highlight the costs of music piracy and the immense consequences on the American economy. Music theft costs American workers significant losses in jobs and earnings as well as costing the US government substant…

In with ya. When reading that pirated music costs 70,000 jobs I just laugh. I don't think there would be more jobs (maybe a few), but that the people at the top would have a bigger salary or bonus.

70,000 more musicians who could be earning $0.10 per month from their streams played on Spotify.

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Post by animuchan »

Veuxdo wrote: post #28
baka367 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with Gabe here. I basically stopped pirating games once I could add something that I like to my collection during steam sale for a nice discount instead of waiting for days for whatever service to ship it. I can also return it if I end up not lilinkg it, not like with a physical copy.

Many others didn't. Steam games are widely pirated.

This is true, but a pirated game may still lead to a sale eventually, so they're not exclusive categories.

(Even better, there are games that I wouldn't buy on Steam, had I not have prior experience with them.)

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Post by TremendousJudge »

elashri wrote: post #76
ajross wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally did? That's what "real" means: having more real wages means you can buy more stuff. It's already adjusted for price rises. Check out FRED if you don't believe me: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/A939RX0Q048SBEA https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N You and the upthread commenter are just citing a meme. It is not true. Period.

Real here means only that these numbers are adjusted for inflation. It does not change the fact that they are a poor measure for cost of living.

I don't agree with GP's original point (also afaik US minimum wage hasn't increased), but the way inflation is measured is with a basket of common goods that serve as proxy for "cost of living". If cost of living, the number in dollars, went up, it means prices rose, which means there was inflation. Maybe it wasn't measured "correctly" (the basket of goods isn't reflective of what people actually need to live), but in principle an increase in your "real" salary means you're better off and beating the rising cost of living

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Post by ghaff »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #67
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Well, I'd stop paying for Netflix well before I'd stop paying for Spotify because Spotify has much closer to the "everything"of that particular form of entertainment than Netflix does, and new albums and songs are relatively instantly available on the service. For whatever reason, the ability to arrange music licensing to allow for an aggregator of everything is much easier than for movie and TV show licensing.

Music licensing is pretty much centralized and standardized for historical reasons. So streaming music services pretty much have "everything" (reasonably mainstream) and are essentially commodities aside from device support, UIs, playlists, etc.

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Post by Moldoteck »

justaman wrote: post #40
jampekka wrote: post #3

> Internet piracy isn’t ethically justifiable, but it is convenient. Intellectual property isn't ethically justifiable, but it is convenient for some. > Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. In many (most?) jurisdictions downloading material is not illegal. Have these been subtracted from this figure, or is this yet another lie? Given the history of this propaganda, I'm qu…

> Illegal downloading of copyrighted materials takes up 24% of the global bandwidth. Completely impossible. Think of how much bandwidth is used for HD streaming of twitch, netflix, ABC-XYZ +, and social media. Piracy making up even 5% of global bandwidth usage is being overly generous.

are you sure downloading of cop material is illegal? In a lot of countries it is permitted as long as you do not distribute that content further

Re: Piracy Is Back: Piracy Statistics for 2023

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Post by midasuni »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #67
scrlk wrote: post #4

To quote Gabe Newell: > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a…

Well, I'd stop paying for Netflix well before I'd stop paying for Spotify because Spotify has much closer to the "everything"of that particular form of entertainment than Netflix does, and new albums and songs are relatively instantly available on the service. For whatever reason, the ability to arrange music licensing to allow for an aggregator of everything is much easier than for movie and TV show licensing.

The problem I have with Spotify is the money I pay doesn’t go to the artists I potentially to.

If I pay £15 a month and listen to 15 different artists 50 times each I would expect each artist to get £1 minus costs, so say 50p.

But they don’t, they instead get a fraction of that.

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