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An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation

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Post by bloopernova »

anonymous-cwrd wrote: post #104

I'm shocked, although not surprised what a large fraction the comments here are racist in nature

White supremacists target online discussions as a way to promote their bigoted hatred.

Any time there's a thread that includes anything they consider might promote progressive values, a swarm of different hate groups and trolls arrive. They then try to steer the conversation towards their own delusional nonsense.

Deeply frustrating but incredibly difficult to police. I have some small hope that AI will be able to combat some of the deluge of hate.

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Post by Timon3 »

diiolk wrote: post #309
Timon3 wrote: post #302

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No, they are not "without issue". Since the trans discourse has picked up, there have been many cases of these people being targeted and attacked due to "using the wrong bathroom".

Nope, this is a myth perpetuated by activists. Even if there was an isolated case of this, it's not a general rule. There is more chance of being struck by lightning, but that doesn't stop people walking outside.

Really, you're resorting to that excuse? I could show you examples of such cases, but there's no value in doing so, since you've already declared me wrong and them to be isolated cases.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

Xeamek wrote: post #109
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #58

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Hey now, just the other people day people on HN argued that forcing a person to adopt some norms is not censorship, because: 1. It is not the government doing it 2. It is not actually speech You can't say you are free to express yourself in one sentence and forbid expression in the next. Either we all have to hide or we can all be free to express ourselves as we see fit.

You are free to say what you want, and I'm free to take what you are saying into consideration when deciding what in what interaction I will or won't engage with you. What's the contradiction here?

Simple. By preventing me from self-identifying as an asshole by forcing non-asshole behaviors -- you are infringing on my right to free speech, free association ( or non-association ) and many others such rights.

If you cannot see it, you yourself are not free.

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Post by diiolk »

Timon3 wrote: post #312
diiolk wrote: post #309

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Nope, this is a myth perpetuated by activists. Even if there was an isolated case of this, it's not a general rule. There is more chance of being struck by lightning, but that doesn't stop people walking outside.

Really, you're resorting to that excuse? I could show you examples of such cases, but there's no value in doing so, since you've already declared me wrong and them to be isolated cases.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

leadingthenet wrote: post #306
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #286

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You do realize that 20 years ago it was wrong to be gay in various US states, right? And I'm saying this with the consideration that most of the world sees the US as the most advanced country on the planet.

The rule of law was correctly implemented. Whether the law was morally correct or not is completely orthogonal to that fact.

So is the law implemented in various countries in Africa. It's up to you if you want to break the law by going there or not.

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Post by oppoppi »

_cenw wrote: post #292
kabanda1 wrote: post #268

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Maybe a wrong word to use. But politicians claim to be representing the people's voice in ceating those laws is not entirely correct. In most African countries, people are still uncomfortable with LGBTQ, and the general show of love in public but not hostile to the extent of enacted laws Remember most LGBTQ activism is sponsored by the west, so politicians use that to heat up the population about family, bill gates,…

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #256
asylteltine wrote: post #227

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Some people are so used to their western privilege they can’t fathom the idea of a culture not accepting things like being gay. It’s really not hard

I assure you that virtually no one, least of all LGBTQIA+ activists, has trouble fathoming the idea of a culture not accepting deviation from cisheteronormative standards. Even in most western countries, tolerance for that is weak now , and was absent in living memory.

In US alone, all the current acceptance is a relatively recent phenomenon. Not that long ago ( 80s? ) it was considered a psychological disorder. I don't remember gays being as militant about it though. They did the marches and stuff, but the majority of the hard work was done via cultural insertion using movies and so on. BLM and other groups should consider taking a page, because any resistance they experience now is the part they need most.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

ttyprintk wrote: post #254
pierat wrote: post #239

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Privilege? No, most African and Middle Eastern governments just have shitty governments based on an even worse religion. At least Western governments have the idea of Universal Human Rights ( https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... ) And being 'accepted' or not is wholly different than 'executed' or 'jailed for life'. And for me, it's simple: don't go to most of Africa or anywhere in the Middl…

You’re both right, because the definition of white privilege does include “White people become more likely to move through the world with an expectation that their needs be readily met.”

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but if an organization grants you cash money, then their expectations should be met.

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Post by [deleted] »

Tao3300 wrote: post #260
saltwatercowboy wrote: post #31

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You aren't wrong. Tanzania != Malaysia, as another commenter seemed to think. Their version of Sharia is nowhere near as strict. Incidents of violence are the product of opportunity and generally perpetrated through in-group policing. Westerners and other African travellers are less exposed, so in the case of an LGBT developer from the US travelling to Zanzibar (which is also a very special case relative to the rest…

Heh... if the argument is coming down to "yeah, but in their version of Sharia", I'm thinking maybe it's not such a good idea.

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