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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by thrixton »

yreg wrote: post #429
mvdtnz wrote: post #120

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I am a car enthusiast (although not one who could afford either a 911 nor a Cybertruck) but respectfully, who cares about quarter mile times? Most car people I know want a car with some poke, but care much more about how it handles twisties (and how much fun it is doing so). And I'd bet my bottom dollar the 911 would beat the refrigerator-looking truck all day long.

I drive the slowest Tesla there is, but I find its acceleration from 0 to 50km/h very beneficial. It feels much more safe when merging, overtaking, etc, compared to my previous (rather weak and old) car. And I do my best to not drive as a jackass.

True for sure, but there is a limit. I actually feel like I’d prefer to have an electronic limiter in “normal” mode that would keep it at a certain level of power. Sport or track mode, go nuts.

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Post by pseudosavant »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #693
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #676

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No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."

And in CA, it's $0.30 per KWH, so extremely misleading if you are there - which most of the purchases will be at. Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.

I charge my EV at an overnight rate of $0.09/kWh or $0.16/kWh off solar during the day in San Diego. But gas is $4.50-$6 a gallon.

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Post by gnicholas »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #693
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #676

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No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."

And in CA, it's $0.30 per KWH, so extremely misleading if you are there - which most of the purchases will be at. Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.

Also in CA they are charging income-based surcharges. For now, these are not tied to usage, but I wouldn't be surprised if in the future they were.

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Post by pkulak »

danans wrote: post #535
angoragoats wrote: post #446

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The initial Cybertruck announcement had the three trim levels priced at $39,990, $49,990, and $69,990. This is a price increase of between $21k and $30k, across the board. The original top-level $69,990 trim also advertised a 500-mile range, which is now down to 320 miles. Were they just making shit up? If I had put a deposit down back in 2019 I'd be pretty upset. Edit: I just looked and Musk himself has stated that…

> Were they just making shit up? > So they collected at least $100MM of customer money based on completely made up pricing/specs. WTF. Correct and correct. And not every manufacturer does this, by the way. The price/specs of the EV I pre-ordered (Volkswagen) did not change much by the time I purchased it.

The Volvo I ordered over a year ago has gone down in price and up on features, according to the spec sheet released today.

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Post by pkulak »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #170
caycep wrote: post #136

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I'd vote for updated bmw i3 as well. that thing was under appreciated.

Everyone made fun of me for having one, but it was the perfect city car. Great turning radius & it fit basically anywhere. And the plastic body meant that if someone opened their door into you, it just bounced off instead of leaving a dent. It's a shame they never made any significant improvements on the range. After degradation, the range on the i3 ends up pretty abysmal. The REx was a fun idea too and even let me t…

I had no idea you could do that! So, if you were starting a long trip, you could kick the REx on at like 80%?

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Post by guidedlight »

whelp_24 wrote: post #153
liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

why do steer by wire at all? Is it cheaper somehow?

Steer by wire is cheaper to produce, as it allows you to reduce costs for RHD markets (e.g. Australia, New Zealand, UK, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, etc).

For example, Ford F-150 and RAM 1500 trucks from the US are exported to Australia where they need to undergo an expensive conversion process before they can be sold. This is why a base model F-150 is US$74000 in Australia.

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Post by nomel »

sidibe wrote: post #766
nomel wrote: post #389

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> Which for most people includes making judgements about who you are based on the clothes you wear, the car you drive, the style of haircut etc. But, it's important to understand that the people with some hairstyle aren't the assholes. That would be entirely on the people saying they're assholes for their choice of hair shaft placement. > And buying a Cybertruck does imply that you either (a) agree with or (b) are am…

It's just a heuristic I'm not gonna judge someone solely based on it but yeah seeing someone drive up in their Cybertruck won't give me the best of first impressions. > I don't believe most Tesla owners are aware of this. Most that I know see an obvious choice in a product with no real competition. Model 3 is a weaker heuristic because there was less competition at the time and less people knew about who Elon really…

My dude, wtf is up with your comment history?

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Post by comprev »

LightBug1 wrote: post #284
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

It's perfect marketing for its target audience: people who don't know better (no offence meant).

All marketing is aimed at people who don't know better.

"Buy our product because it's better than X,Y,Z..."

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Post by kube-system »

Yodel0914 wrote: post #763
kube-system wrote: post #742

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But firmware doesn't rust and snap or burst, like I've experienced on other vehicles. Cutting corners is cutting corners. Build cheap firmware or use materials with poor corrosion resistance and you get problems.

It's much harder (impossible, really) for a owner to mitigate against firmware bugs, though. Regularly servicing and inspection should prevent/detect the vast majority of major mechanical issues, not to mention than many are slow-onset. A firmware bug just happens, and there's no way (as an owner) to detect it beforehand.

Software isn’t unpredictable. Issues that are known can be resolved. Unknown hardware issues are just as bad, and they do happen. Most safety recalls are mechanical in nature today.

Fly-by-wire systems in airplanes are way more complicated than cars and they have excellent safety records, which even improved as those systems became widespread.

The reason so much bad software exists in the world is because of the prevalence of people writing software without an accredited engineering education, licensing, or regulation. Software can be good if built to the engineering standards expected of any other engineering discipline.

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