Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by bryanlarsen » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:33 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #149

everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

Elon said a long time ago they wanted their vehicles to be a smackdown for Internal Combustion Engines, and I think they're getting there. This is the kind of marketing that make regular people go "Wait, what? How is that possible?". More than about 10 years ago that was simply unheard of, and I'm certain people would have said it was impossible. Useful or not, it's a very impressive thing to do. 99% of automakers wo…

AFAICT, sports cars faster than a 911 are relatively common. What automakers would be happy to beat would be the 911's handling.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by dopamean » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:33 PM UTC

baz00 wrote: post #140

rich_sasha wrote: post #133

Steer by wire sounds like a disastrous idea to me, especially in a car made with attention to detail of Tesla. I'm not even sure where to start. It's less reliable, surely it must be (at least without significant investment into QA and redundancy). A physical wheel physically connected to bits turning the wheels, well, the power steering can do, but you can still turn the thing. Then, it's all software driven. And it…

Yeah look at planes. I'd rather have hydraulics and mechanical controls still in a car. Which is why I drive a primitive POS (Dacia Duster).

I think all airbus commercial jets are fly by wire.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by Waterluvian » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:34 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

Are all the future autonomy claims still a selling point or is Tesla downplaying that more these days?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ttfkam » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:34 PM UTC

I see from the photos it will have side mirrors now, so no side cameras after all. Still haven't heard anything about crash testing, which I'm curious about since thick stainless steel isn't what one would usually associate with crumple zones. To be sure, I wouldn't want to be hit by one if I were a pedestrian in a crosswalk.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by chollida1 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:35 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> Everyone I know doing construction/trade work tends to drive much smaller pickups.

Odd for me all my friends who farm or do construction own either the F150 or the equivalent dodge RAM truck.

The other trucks either don’t have cabs big enough to fit multiple workers or fit full sheets of drywall.

Now I’m in Canada, perhaps you’re European?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by TaylorAlexander » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:35 PM UTC

Interesting that the marketing image on that page is clearly meant to suggest driving around on Mars. I think it is clear from the design and marketing that this truck is meant as a fashion statement not a work vehicle. It will be interesting to see if it catches on. I like some of the ideas used in the vehicle's construction, though I do not like how dangerous it appears to be for pedestrians.

If I made a prediction, it would be that lessons learned from the cybertruck will influence a new generation of vehicle designs. It seems to be a design that takes a lot of risks and tries new things, and I would expect some of that to stick. Tesla certainly has experience making vehicles and a desire to simplify and innovate, so I would expect at least something of this design to inspire new vehicle designs.

A lot of people are saying its ugly. I feel that way too though I am unsure if it will grow on me. But as much as people say that, I think it will catch on anyway. It's a very flashy fashion statement and I think that will appeal to people with money and those aspiring to look like they have more money than they do.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by rgmerk » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:35 PM UTC

everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are.

The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks.

That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kids or stuff to carry) and I’ll take the 911 every single time.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by grecy » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

adfm wrote: post #88

twobitshifter wrote: post #9

EST. $96,390* CYBERBEAST DELIVERY IN 2024 320 MI. RANGE (EST.) 2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH† 130 MPH TOP SPEED 845 HORSEPOWER 10,296 LB-FT TORQUE 11,000 LBS. TOWING CAPACITY

Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers. You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me.

> Bed does not fit a full sheet of plywood, so a deal-breaker for practical truck buyers.

Specifically said it does with the tailgate down, which is the norm for anything that doesn't have an 8' bed.

> You’d assume 96” would be a default parameter in any generative model focused on “optimum truck.” Am I missing something? Enlighten me.

I can only assume they made a tradeoff between cabin space, bed length and overall vehicle length. There is no perfect, only tradeoffs.

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Post by al_borland » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

From what I’ve heard, trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations. A big truck is easier to make with fewer regulations. It seems like all the electric trucks want to prove they are bigger and tougher than the ICE trucks, but it seems like the perfect platform for small trucks, as the the efficiency standards would become a moot point. I’m looking for trucks like the old Ford Ranger from the late 90s to come back. The Maverick was a start, but they need to take it a step further.

Maybe it’s like with the Model S. First they have to prove it’s cool and remove all the excuses (too slow, too weak, not enough range), then they can scale down to the smaller more mass market options at lower price points.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by andrewmunsell » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:36 PM UTC

caycep wrote: post #136

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

I'd vote for updated bmw i3 as well. that thing was under appreciated.

Everyone made fun of me for having one, but it was the perfect city car. Great turning radius & it fit basically anywhere. And the plastic body meant that if someone opened their door into you, it just bounced off instead of leaving a dent.

It's a shame they never made any significant improvements on the range. After degradation, the range on the i3 ends up pretty abysmal. The REx was a fun idea too and even let me take the car on multi-hundred mile road trips, without recharging, after coding the REx to one of the buttons in the car.