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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by maxdo »

SrslyJosh wrote: post #495
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> same 250 mile range We don't actually know what the Cyberjoke's range will be. Given Tesla's history with range claims, there's no reason to trust the numbers on that website. See: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-ba... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/08/angry-tesla-cust... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/doj-subpoenas-te...

oh common, that is clearly another social media vs Twitter fight. It's not Tesla place the range. It's EPA range.

Just read the article: >Tesla vehicles failed to accurately account for external factors impacting battery performance and vehicle range, leading to a gross overestimate of the vehicle's range.

So, Karens want tesla to account for a/c temperature preferences, rain, wind, snow on the road, and other factors. No other manufacturers do so.

You have an EPA range, and if you decide to speed 85 m/h while having a 10% charge, you will dramatically lose your range. It's the same with any car.

>Testing is done at EPA's NVFEL facility and by vehicle manufacturers at their own facilities. EPA audits the data provided by vehicle manufacturers and performs its own testing on some of the vehicles to confirm the results.

The only reason it is "estimated", they didn't finish EPA testing yet.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by lotsofpulp »

airstrike wrote: post #562
agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

just select the "Purchase price" tab at the top? not every marketing gimmick is a dark pattern

>not every marketing gimmick is a dark pattern

Gimmick sounds equivalent to dark pattern to me.

>A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control of gambling apparatus.

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Post by Yodel0914 »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #545
bilsbie wrote: post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would there be a “safe mode” for steering where it has basic operation if it can’t get speed data? Drive by wire kind of scares me.

> Drive by wire kind of scares me Physical linkages break too.

Yeah, but not from a bad firmware update

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Post by boznz »

demondemidi wrote: post #523
liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Why did you call out the CAN bus for water penetration? I thought it was an electrical specification and logical protocol, does it specify wires too?

Correct neither CAN or Ethernet say anything about IP ratings, but I guess having an ethernet switch as a distribution rather than everything on a chain restricts the failure to one device.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

davidw wrote: post #325
dsr_ wrote: post #270

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Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

Mr Money Mustache had several articles about this. Work trucks should be making you as much money as possible while costing as little as possible, so as to increase your profits. This one comes to mind: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2015/04/28/what-does-your-wo...

If you're running a profitable business, a few extra hundred dollars a month won't make much of a dent in your profits. OTOH, a larger, more comfortable vehicle is important when it's basically your "office."

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Post by caconym_ »

pornel wrote: post #546
rainsford wrote: post #432

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This seems like a fairly common point as well in car reviews. Super fast cars of any type are only fun in a very limited set of circumstances, most of them not on a normal road. In contrast, even your daily commute can be made more fun with a car that's lightweight or has good handling or an engaging manual shifter or whatever. It's basically the entire premise of the Mazda Miata. It's an unfortunate trend with EVs t…

Instant torque makes lots of people grin. Most BEVs also have low center of gravity and even mass distribution, so they’re not as bad as a heavy ICE car. On public roads, 0-30mph acceleration is probably most fun you can have within realm of legal and sensible driving. Handling is not an issue at speed limits of public roads.

Limiting EV torque off the line is probably one of the lowest-hanging emissions reduction fruits out there, given that (by estimates I've seen) tire wear for current EVs is in aggregate 20-50% faster than ICE vehicles.

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

chrisco255 wrote: post #544
paulddraper wrote: post #171

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Not just you. Anyone who uses a truck a lot will have a 150+ --- How many programmers do you see with MacBook Airs

M1 MacBook Airs are solid and it's my daily driver as a programmer. But I also drive an F350 King Ranch Super Duty (I tow a 20k pound fifth wheel with it that I live in full time) so go figure.

/me is jealous of that King Ranch :-)

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Post by partiallypro »

al_borland wrote: post #169
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

From what I’ve heard, trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations. A big truck is easier to make with fewer regulations. It seems like all the electric trucks want to prove they are bigger and tougher than the ICE trucks, but it seems like the perfect platform for small trucks, as the the efficiency standards would become a moot point. I’m looking for trucks like the old Ford Ranger from the late 9…

Toyota is rumored to make a truck smaller than the Tacoma, which is pretty exciting to me, in part because the Tacoma has become ridiculously expensive. But it will undoubtedly be a hybrid at best.

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Post by agloe_dreams »

everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

* A base model 911.

The base 911 is not intended to be fast in a straight line. It's actually about as fast as a Model 3 Dual Motor Long range. Base 911 is about experience, feel, and handling.

I say this because the mid-range 911 Turbo S would blow the doors off an unladen Cybertruck Tri-motor with it's 2.2s 0-60.

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Post by tomjakubowski »

ethbr1 wrote: post #236
legitster wrote: post #204

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It's amazingly bad timing that Silicon Valley ended before NFTs, OpenAI, WFH, and Musk's purchase of Twitter.

It'd be too on the nose, now. Ridiculous reality isn't funny. Although it definitely feels like there's a Silicon Valley II thread brewing with AI startups.

The writers had to throw away a great real-life anecdote because it'd be "too hacky" for the show!

[Astro Teller] ended the meeting by standing up in a huff, but his attempt at a dramatic exit was marred by the fact that he was wearing Rollerblades. He wobbled to the door in silence. “Then there was this awkward moment of him fumbling with his I.D. badge, trying to get the door to open,” [writer Carrie] Kemper said. “It felt like it lasted an hour. We were all trying not to laugh. Even while it was happening, I knew we were all thinking the same thing: Can we use this?” In the end, the joke was deemed “too hacky to use on the show.”

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/how-silicon-v...

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