Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by constantly » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:54 PM UTC

zeusk wrote: post #132

mminer237 wrote: post #27

> Prices assume IRA Federal Tax Credits up to $7,500 for Rear-Wheel Drive and All-Wheel Drive and est. gas savings of $3,600 over 3 years. This seems like a new low in scammy marketing. I can't wait for everything to have wildly undermarked prices with small asterisks saying it's when you subtract all the ways it will save you money in the long term.

How is it any different from $10,000 Full Self Driving "Autopilot" will be out anytime next year™

You get the credit on your taxes, enshrined in law.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by megaman821 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:54 PM UTC

rich_sasha wrote: post #133

Steer by wire sounds like a disastrous idea to me, especially in a car made with attention to detail of Tesla. I'm not even sure where to start. It's less reliable, surely it must be (at least without significant investment into QA and redundancy). A physical wheel physically connected to bits turning the wheels, well, the power steering can do, but you can still turn the thing. Then, it's all software driven. And it…

I lost pneumatic steering during a turn, and it nearly tore my arm off. Not sure most people would be able to drive over a few mph without powered steering.

Hopefully the steer by wire systems are backed by another steer by wire system, so it would be terrible luck if you lost both at the same time.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by baz00 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:54 PM UTC

psunavy03 wrote: post #152

baz00 wrote: post #140

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Yeah look at planes. I'd rather have hydraulics and mechanical controls still in a car. Which is why I drive a primitive POS (Dacia Duster).

Tell me you have zero flight time or aircraft engineering experience without telling me you have zero flight time or aircraft engineering experience. This is no different from Trump claiming he wanted "damn steam" for aircraft carrier catapults despite electromagnetic ones having clear advantages. This isn't 1969 anymore.

I do actually but that's irrelevant. It's an engineering trade-off. In a car, it's a stupid one because its built to a cost profile not a safety profile.

You can't compare a $200m Airbus to a whatever it's going to cost but is being lied about vanity machine kicked out by a vendor with a history of software problems.

Actually the risk profile is probably higher on the damn car.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by adgrnhioaedntio » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:55 PM UTC

brewdad wrote: post #218

mvdtnz wrote: post #120

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I am a car enthusiast (although not one who could afford either a 911 nor a Cybertruck) but respectfully, who cares about quarter mile times? Most car people I know want a car with some poke, but care much more about how it handles twisties (and how much fun it is doing so). And I'd bet my bottom dollar the 911 would beat the refrigerator-looking truck all day long.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by m463 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:55 PM UTC

dopamean wrote: post #162

baz00 wrote: post #140

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Yeah look at planes. I'd rather have hydraulics and mechanical controls still in a car. Which is why I drive a primitive POS (Dacia Duster).

I think all airbus commercial jets are fly by wire.

They have some mechanical bits. I think you can fly the a320 by modulating the engine thrust and using trim wheels.

The more terrifying thing about airbus is that their philosophy (like teslas) is that the computer is the ultimate decision maker.

Boeing has the philisophy that it is the pilot (with a little caveat for the 737 max mcas thing)

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by ethbr1 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:55 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #204

RockRobotRock wrote: post #2

If Silicon Valley was still airing, Russ Hanneman would have one of these.

It's amazingly bad timing that Silicon Valley ended before NFTs, OpenAI, WFH, and Musk's purchase of Twitter.

It'd be too on the nose, now. Ridiculous reality isn't funny.

Although it definitely feels like there's a Silicon Valley II thread brewing with AI startups.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by baz00 » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:56 PM UTC

m463 wrote: post #235

dopamean wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think all airbus commercial jets are fly by wire.

They have some mechanical bits. I think you can fly the a320 by modulating the engine thrust and using trim wheels. The more terrifying thing about airbus is that their philosophy (like teslas) is that the computer is the ultimate decision maker. Boeing has the philisophy that it is the pilot (with a little caveat for the 737 max mcas thing)

Exactly.

In the case of the Cybertruck you can't modulate shit!

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by tenpies » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:56 PM UTC

dymk wrote: post #124

bryanlarsen wrote: post #119

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Sure, but you'd likely fare better being hit by a Cybertruck than an F-150 or a Ranger or a large SUV.

The people who would consider buying an F150 or a sprinter van are not the people who would buy a Cybertruck. Smaller bed, can't tow nearly as much, lower range. The dominant market for this truck is going to be people who may as well buy a Model 3.

I was thinking Model X. Tesla has all but forgotten they make a Model X. It is incredibly dated, incredibly flawed, and has a reputation for being an awful SUV from a maintenance and gremlins perspective.

But this decision makes sense if you consider the CT to be the replacement. Perfect for soccer moms and weekend warriors. Comfortable enough for day to day use and taking the family on a weekend trip, while still fitting your entire Costco haul.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by frumper » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:57 PM UTC

microtherion wrote: post #230

modeless wrote: post #189

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The tax credit is guaranteed as long as you made less than 300k this year or last year (150k if not married), and it is now given directly at time of purchase instead of later when you file. Seems OK to include. The gas savings is much more speculative.

Do people making less than 150k buy 100k cars? I don't have a good sense for how Americans budget their vehicle purchases.

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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Thu, Nov 30, 2023, 10:57 PM UTC

al_borland wrote: post #169

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

From what I’ve heard, trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations. A big truck is easier to make with fewer regulations. It seems like all the electric trucks want to prove they are bigger and tougher than the ICE trucks, but it seems like the perfect platform for small trucks, as the the efficiency standards would become a moot point. I’m looking for trucks like the old Ford Ranger from the late 9…

> trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations

Correct.

It's because of "...the fine print of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards adopted in 1975, Gerald Ford’s reluctant response to a crippling Middle East oil embargo that sent gas prices soaring. To protect American commerce, work trucks and light trucks were subject to less-strict CAFE standards than family sedans. Trucks are also exempt from the 1978 gas guzzler tax, which adds $1,000 to $7,700 to the price of sedans that get 22.5 or fewer miles to the gallon.

Those incentives encouraged American car manufacturers to double down on trucks. But the CAFE standards also had a more subtle and far-reaching effect: They pushed carmakers to broaden the definition of truck.

“'Cars and light trucks had two different standards. It became easier to meet the standard with trucks. So automobile manufacturers thought of ways to basically build trucks that are really cars, and that’s what generated the SUV,' said Massachusetts Institute of Technology economist Christopher Knittel, who has spent much of his career tracing the unintended consequences of government fuel regulations."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/04/07/trucks-ou...