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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by SrslyJosh »

hedora wrote: post #291
dsr_ wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

There are three specs that matter. (4wd matters in the hills, since it is surprisingly easy to get stuck on pavement/gravel when going uphill under load, but that is orthogonal). The three things are bed capacity, max bed weight load, and towing capacity. Weight in bed can matter, but once you’re above a few thousand pounds, you need to consider getting a dump trailer. Max carrying load matters more for conversions (…

> it can tow 14,000lbs

Has this claim been independently verified? If not, why trust it? And even if it's true, how far can it tow 14,000 lbs?

If you don't know why I'm asking, well...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/10/doj-subpoenas-te...

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by chrisco255 »

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> Everyone I know doing construction/trade work tends to drive much smaller pickups.

No, it's extremely common to be driving an F-150 or bigger in construction.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by demondemidi »

liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Why did you call out the CAN bus for water penetration? I thought it was an electrical specification and logical protocol, does it specify wires too?

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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akira2501 wrote: post #377
mcv wrote: post #294

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It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking advantage of it.

It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent. The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies m…

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

baz00 wrote: post #213
dopamean wrote: post #162

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I think all airbus commercial jets are fly by wire.

Not totally. They have two redundant computers in the control loop. But they worked out this was a shitty idea if there was a failure so there are mechanical and electrical backup systems. Whilst "fly by wire" technically speaking they don't involve a computer in the loop. I'd still rather have a totally mechanical backup.

>Not totally. They have two redundant computers in the control loop. But they worked out this was a shitty idea if there was a failure so there are mechanical and electrical backup systems. Whilst "fly by wire" technically speaking they don't involve a computer in the loop.

What's the basis for that claim? Even in direct-law, there's still a computer in the path. In aircraft with the BCM, that's still a flight control computer, albeit one that's separate from the primary/secondary flight control computers.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by SrslyJosh »

LTL_FTC wrote: post #297
dsr_ wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh. Actually, let me tell you: Most trades workers don't need full-sized pickup trucks. They do need an 8 foot bed. An amazing number of full-sized pickups come with 6.5 foot beds by default, and cost extra for the 8 foot. They won't put 2 tons of gravel in there; they will put plywood sheets and lumber and power tools; boxes of nails and air compressors; the toolbox that they always want, the toolbox for this job, a…

I think most trades would be better served by a van rather than a pickup truck. Ingress and egress is much easier. It is also easier to load and drive due to lower center of gravity. Expensive tools are out of the elements and generally safer (and so less risk of tools and material making their way onto the highway). Plus, better drag coefficient and so better efficiency. Finally, a roof rack allows for those items y…

Not to mention that a van's interior can serve as a mobile workshop, store a lot of smallish parts in an organized fashion, or both.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by danans »

panarky wrote: post #468
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> available today None of the CTs are available today, they're all at some unspecified point in 2024. The cheapest CT is ostensibly available in 2025, but estimates from this company that far out are hilariously worthless. Prospective customers of the cheapest CT might remember the cheapest Model 3, which the CEO promised to deliver in July, 2017, but actually began delivery in February, 2019. > same 250 mile range b…

>> available today

> None of the CTs are available today, they're all at some unspecified point in 2024.

>> same 250 mile range but AWD standard

> That "(EST.)" next to the range is doing a lot of work!

You misread my comment. My statement about availability today and range of 250 miles refer to the F150, not the Cybertruck.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by demondemidi »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #166

Interesting that the marketing image on that page is clearly meant to suggest driving around on Mars. I think it is clear from the design and marketing that this truck is meant as a fashion statement not a work vehicle. It will be interesting to see if it catches on. I like some of the ideas used in the vehicle's construction, though I do not like how dangerous it appears to be for pedestrians. If I made a prediction…

Everyone with a brain knows this is a vanity project by a very rich person who can do whatever he wants. The success doesn't matter. I don't think that's a good or bad thing, it's just a thing. If anything it demonstrates what a bored rich nerd can do for fun. I guess I might do something like that if I had billions to throw around, maybe I'd just make one for myself though, and not an entire product line that would put my main source of wealth at risk. Or maybe I wouldn't. Hard to say how warped billions would make my mind.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by giobox »

agnosticmantis wrote: post #518

Holy mother of dark patterns! The default tab in the table is the “PROBABLE SAVINGS*” tab instead of the actual prices. (There’s actually no actual price, just estimates.) Besides, does anybody believe their estimated prices for “available in 2025”? * From the same trusted salesman who sold robotaxies making $30k/year!

There's even a "dark pattern" with the quoted 0-60 times. They've subtracted the rollout only on the fastest model to make the gap between it and the mid-spec model appear larger (notice the asterisk only on the top spec car's 0-60 time). Not the first time they've done this either, they've done the same thing with the Plaid Model S specs before.

I don't really care about the debate over whether subtracting rollout is legitimate - it's just very silly the 0-60 measurement methodology isn't consistent across all three models on the page.

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Post by [deleted] »

rainsford wrote: post #388
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #273

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> Especially most trucks I'd argue not. Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. If I were to guess, I'd put my money on SUVs having the largest fraction of users who rarely if ever push the vehicle to its limits. That or sports cars.

> Many trucks are driven by folks in the trades. It's a little hard to believe that's the primary market given the design trends in trucks that seemingly make them less attractive and useful to tradespeople while being more appealing to folks in the fashion accessory market. For example, the trend of trucks getting more and more expensive with luxury features and interiors or the increasing popularity of short beds w…

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