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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by oooyay »

BoorishBears wrote: post #182
paulddraper wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just you. Anyone who uses a truck a lot will have a 150+ --- How many programmers do you see with MacBook Airs

I'd bet good money the average Ford Ranger/Maverick hauls more than the average F-150 today > How many programmers do you see with MacBook Airs The people working on some of the most complex projects of our times rely on compute that isn't available in a laptop, so they're perfectly fine taking an Air. I personally used an M1 Air for a couple of years.

> I'd bet good money the average Ford Ranger/Maverick hauls more than the average F-150 today

The Maverick can tow 4,000 lbs - which is pretty prohibitive with a small bed and the weight of a trailer. You're better off getting a modern Tacoma, of which there is an entire subreddit of people who will gleefully show you they too can haul.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by m463 »

angoragoats wrote: post #446
WheatMillington wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$50k Cybertruck will never exist, any more than $30k Model 3 existed.

The initial Cybertruck announcement had the three trim levels priced at $39,990, $49,990, and $69,990. This is a price increase of between $21k and $30k, across the board. The original top-level $69,990 trim also advertised a 500-mile range, which is now down to 320 miles. Were they just making shit up? If I had put a deposit down back in 2019 I'd be pretty upset. Edit: I just looked and Musk himself has stated that…

When I look at this webpage, it seems like the initial announcement all over again.

They just want you to put down a deposit, and says "reserve" not "buy".

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by jedberg »

ethbr1 wrote: post #236
legitster wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazingly bad timing that Silicon Valley ended before NFTs, OpenAI, WFH, and Musk's purchase of Twitter.

It'd be too on the nose, now. Ridiculous reality isn't funny. Although it definitely feels like there's a Silicon Valley II thread brewing with AI startups.

It was too on the nose the first time. When it was airing I was raising VC funds, and it was basically a documentary. I would laugh every time someone offered me a Fiji water at a VC office.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by yreg »

dkrich wrote: post #397
maximus-decimus wrote: post #256

I like how it looks and I find it weird people seem to believe that their opinion is absolute truth and that anybody who doesn't hate it is wrong. What I found the most surprising is that implies people don't actually believe cars on the road right now are ugly. Do people really look at SUVs and think "wow, is that thing pretty?"

Funny because I think it’s weird that Tesla perma bull analysts automatically assume this car will be popular and sell millions without a single person actually receiving one or knowing the prices.

A million people have paid the reservation for it.

That's already many more units than the amount Tesla is going to be able to build in the following years.

edit: Apparently it's 1.9M reservations.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by jameshart »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #172
mminer237 wrote: post #27

> Prices assume IRA Federal Tax Credits up to $7,500 for Rear-Wheel Drive and All-Wheel Drive and est. gas savings of $3,600 over 3 years. This seems like a new low in scammy marketing. I can't wait for everything to have wildly undermarked prices with small asterisks saying it's when you subtract all the ways it will save you money in the long term.

This doesn't seem very different than advertising a price after a rebate. Saving $1,200 a year on gas seems reasonable if you pay $4/gal and fill up a 14gal tank twice a month. I'm not sure about the tax credit -- I assume those are guaranteed to whoever purchases the vehicle, but maybe that's not the case.

You can't just combine capex with notional opex savings and then post that as if that's the effective price.

If I'm trying to sell you a $6,000 server, I can't take a notional AWS bill of $2,000 a year and say 'since this server will save you $2,000 in cloud costs over three years, it's basically free'

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by angoragoats »

m463 wrote: post #462
angoragoats wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The initial Cybertruck announcement had the three trim levels priced at $39,990, $49,990, and $69,990. This is a price increase of between $21k and $30k, across the board. The original top-level $69,990 trim also advertised a 500-mile range, which is now down to 320 miles. Were they just making shit up? If I had put a deposit down back in 2019 I'd be pretty upset. Edit: I just looked and Musk himself has stated that…

When I look at this webpage, it seems like the initial announcement all over again. They just want you to put down a deposit, and says "reserve" not "buy".

Yeah I agree. But there are a large number of people (I think 100k+) who put down a deposit between 2019 and today. I realize it's refundable but it's still a slimy thing to do.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by bonestamp2 »

whelp_24 wrote: post #153
liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

why do steer by wire at all? Is it cheaper somehow?

It has rear wheel steering, so there would be a lot of linkage needed to do that mechanically. That said, GM has been doing rear wheel hydraulic steering for a couple decades and the front steering is still mechanical in those (at least historically, not sure if that has changed with their EV lineup).

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by panarky »

danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> available today

None of the CTs are available today, they're all at some unspecified point in 2024.

The cheapest CT is ostensibly available in 2025, but estimates from this company that far out are hilariously worthless.

Prospective customers of the cheapest CT might remember the cheapest Model 3, which the CEO promised to deliver in July, 2017, but actually began delivery in February, 2019.

> same 250 mile range but AWD standard

That "(EST.)" next to the range is doing a lot of work!

Range expectations should be informed by the company's sordid history of rigging the in-car display to inflate range projections, then creating a special "Diversion Team" to cancel customer service appointments related to range issues, regulatory action and fines for misleading advertising about vehicle range, Edmunds finding that Tesla models often fail to meet their advertised ranges, etc.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by shepherdjerred »

wepple wrote: post #274
shepherdjerred wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem very different than advertising a price after a rebate. Saving $1,200 a year on gas seems reasonable if you pay $4/gal and fill up a 14gal tank twice a month. I'm not sure about the tax credit -- I assume those are guaranteed to whoever purchases the vehicle, but maybe that's not the case.

Price after rebate seems reasonable: you pay money, get the item, a rebate gives you money back on your purchase. Savings over time is a whole other dimension, you have to wait for it. And it makes huge assumptions about usage and input (gas) prices. It also assumes you’re not already driving an EV so your current gas cost is $0. That seems near illegal.

> That seems near illegal.

Oh, come on. Tesla is not hiding this. It's the first thing you see in the pricing section, and it's the last thing you see at the bottom. Maybe it's illegal somehow, but this is certainly not immoral.

Tesla is making the case for the efficiency gains of their vehicle based on what most people drive today. This is certainly becoming less relevant/useful as electric/hybrid vehicles become more popular, but it is still quite helpful for anyone trying to compare the cost of a Tesla vs a ICE automobile. Even better, this expected total cost of ownership would be included somewhere like it is with home appliances [0].

> It also assumes you’re not already driving an EV so your current gas cost is $0.

In that case, you can simply select the "Purchase Price".

> Savings over time is a whole other dimension, you have to wait for it. And it makes huge assumptions about usage and input (gas) prices.

That's fair. Tesla very clearly details their assumptions under the "see details" link, which to my eyes looks quite generous:

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Gasoline Savings

Electric vehicles are less expensive to fuel than gasoline powered vehicles. The average person drives between 10,000 and 15,000 miles and spends between $1,700 and $2,500 on gasoline per year.

We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years. Tesla efficiency values are based on Cybertruck All-Wheel Drive.

Comparison gasoline vehicles are selected based on vehicle class, seating capacity and standard features. We use the EPA estimated range standard to compare efficiency data between our vehicles and a comparable gasoline alternative using each vehicle's combined city/highway MPG and MPGe ratings. Actual range may vary based on factors such as speed, weather conditions and elevation change.

Cybertruck All-Wheel Drive consumption rating = 42.9 kWh/100mi

Comparison vehicle consumption rating = 20.0 mpg

References:

We used the most recent gasoline and electricity prices that were available to us through third-party resources on November 30, 2023.

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[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EnergyGuide

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by pcurve »

threeseed wrote: post #309
dymk wrote: post #99

Stainless steel exterior with sharp edges. Not looking forwarding to seeing pedestrians get gored when these things run into them. Not holding my breath on good crash compatibility with cars, either. If you care about humans, you won't get one of these.

Regulators agree: > According to EU auto standards expert Stefan Teller the Cybertruck would have to undergo “major modifications to the basic structure” because the Cybertruck “contradicts the European security philosophy.” > ANCAP chief executive James Goodwin says the angular shape and stainless steel construction of the all-electric Cybertruck would likely pose risks to pedestrians and cyclists, which are among t…

I have a feeling Tesla truck wouldn’t even sell in EU
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